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Porcupine_I on 01 May 2013

It's a great way in the future to show advertisements while you play



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Necromunda on 01 May 2013
SvennoJ said:
Necromunda said:
disolitude said:
Necromunda said:
disolitude said:

Basically take everything Slimebeast has said above and mark it opposite for me.

When properly done, projector gaming and movie watching on a large screen is the best entertainment experience you can have in your house.

Projectors hide resolution loss much better than LCD's due to plush pixels and latest projectors have amazing contrast ratios and can be used in normal daylight without issues.

Below is a 92 inch 1080p projector setup I used to have, which i sadly had to get rid of when I moved. I am counting my days till I move again and set up a 100 inch projector setup in my entertainment room.


Ah very nice! I just dove into the projector market, nice to see people who enjoy the same enjoyment I do! I also second your notion, the entry level price for a quality setup isn't nearly as absurd as others have said in this thread either... I'd consider my setup entry level, although it's just about as good as an entry level setup you could hope for, and I shopped around quite abit and nabbed some fantastic deals, my setup is as follows:

Factory Refurbished Epson 8500UB - $1100

Factory Refurbished Denon AVR-1712 - $250

2 Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Bookshelf Speakers - $75 Each

1 Pioneer SP-C22 Center Channel Speaker - $100

1 Pioneer SW-8MK2 Subwoofer - $100

105" High Contrast Acoustically Transparent Screen - $200 (Self Built - TIP: Build your own screen, you can get SUPERB quality for great value!)

That is a very nice setup...Id say its a solid midrange projector setup since 8500UB is quite excellent.

And your price includes surround sound setup which one would have to get if they were using a regular TV if they want an immersive experience. So essentially, 1300 dollars got you an awesome 105 inch screen projector setup with all bells and whistles that one can ask for. Thats less than a 70 inch Sharp LCD which has ghosting, slow pixel response time, fake 120 hz interpolation to hide the bad response time...

Yeah I suppose it is :P I forget that the 8500UB was a nearly $3000 projector 2-3 years ago. It's remarkably how well it's held it age too, mainly because the technology in Projectors hasn't changed too dramatically with the exception of Laser/LED hitting the market now. I'm absolutely in love with my setup, can't believe how perfect my screen turned out as well! 

You got some great deals there, very nice projector.

My first projector was a refurbished CRT tube monster for $2000. It needed heavy duty bolts to anchor it in the ceiling and each color tube needed to be recalibrated every month by fiddling with 16 pot meters for each. It was only supported 600 lines max. With LaserDisc you could see the 480 scan lines on the wall at 72" (no screen in the budget, just a bucket of white paint) and image distortion in high contrast scenes was a big eyesore with CRT, still loved it. Since crt had no lag it was perfectly compatible with 3D shutter glasses. I had my 3D fix with Descent 2 end of the 90's, no extra hardware needed, just a $35 set of Nvidia shutter glasses.

When I bought my first house I didn't have room or money for a projector, second house I decided to go all out. I sunk about $15K in a small home theater build from scratch (that was before the economy crashed)

PT-AE1000U still the same awesome color as 6 years ago.


Most of the money went into sound, Yamaha RXV-3800, 5x B&W FPM5 + B&W PV1 subwoofer

 
Yes, I saved a decent bit of money on all my componenets, oh the glory of buying the week of Black Friday, deals to be found everywhere! :P

I can't touch your setup however, absolutely beautiful! Then again I still live at home with my parents, going into my last year of college, so I have time to catch up! When I eventually buy my own home, considering how important movies and media are to me in general, I fully plan on buying it with keeping the intent of building my own proper home theater room in mind.

Out of curiosity, is your room soundproofed? From what I've seen allot of people tend to soundproof their theater rooms when building them, not only to keep sound from leaking out of the room, but for keeping sound from leaking into the room to maintain a near perfect sound signature. 



DirtyP2002 on 01 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
bigCchris said:

alot of potential 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L2w-XqW7bF4#!

That's pretty awesome stuff. I thought was just simple projection aimed at the TV, but its a lot more sophisticated than that.

Could definitely make gaming more immersive.


HOW can you NOT be hyped for this? It looks so freaking cool.

And so far we know it works with Racers and Shooters. I think 3rd person games like Assassin's Creed or Gears of War will benefit also.
This is cool stuff, so would you please

 



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

foodfather on 01 May 2013

Looks amazing but I can't imagine playing it with MP games. Strictly for story and immersion like Mass Effect or Watch Dogs.



Stinky on 01 May 2013

Looks interesting, definitely something I'd be interested in seeing in the flesh.



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D-Minaj225 on 01 May 2013

i was very impressed with the snow effects it looks like something out of Minority Report



 

disolitude on 01 May 2013
SvennoJ said:
disolitude said:
SvennoJ said:

I play games with a 1080p projector on a 92" screen. It's worth the price of admission, great experience but not cheap if you want a quality setup. I paid about $2400 for a 1100 lumen home theater projector to get the best movie experience with another $800 for a good screen, plus replacement bulbs cost $350 every 2000 hours.
Games like GT5 and Wipeout HD are so much more immersive on a big screen. And all racing games and anything else with precision steering becomes a lot easier.

A projector like this would be a brighness upgrade over your current projector and would save you the bulb cost over its lifetime since it has an estimate of 20K hours.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116575

And this is only the first gen of these high end LED home theater projector. Within 2 years these should be $999

Nah, maybe in the future those will get better, for now that's a big downgrade in features and image quality.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/viewsonic_pro9000_home_theater_projector_review.htm
Brightness is not a problem anyway, I have it calibrated a bit above cinema brightness but still dark enough not to notice the 24p judder too much. Go too bright and 24p video turns into a slideshow on a big screen. (At least for me)

I'm waiting for a $2000 - $3000 range 4K home theater projector with HDMI 2.0
1 more bulb replacement should hopefully get me there.

Actually I just found this today: 4K 50" LCD for $1299, prices are starting to come down.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/12/seiki-50-inch-4k-1300/
50" is a bit small for 4K, I would need to sit between 5.4ft to 6.5ft away from that to get my preferred display sharpness.
Bit too large for a pc monitor. Still I'm tempted to try it out at that price...


Yeah I do realize these laser/LED projectors aren't there yet, especially not at 3000 dollars... But in a few years it will probably be the only way to go. It's a shame Samsung never brought their DLP LED engine they used in the last generation DLP TVs to projectors as we would already be using LED projectors if they did...

In terms of resolution, 4k at 50 inches would be a massive waste at any comfortable viewing distance. Also due to the fact DLP hides resolution loss I am not too flustered about getting a 4K projector. I would be more interested in getting a 4K projector so I can make it cover a wider aspect ration with a different lens, rather than just have it be 16:9.



MoHasanie on 01 May 2013

It sounds and looks very cool but it better not just become something that very few games have as an option. If they are doing this then every game should have this an option.
Also, it wouldn't work with my current set up cause the TV is in the corner of the room.



    

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Barozi on 01 May 2013
kungfuian said:
I really don't see the advantage of the illumiroom.

This tech seems absolutely pointless to me because from a logical perspective it just doesn't make sense. Why have an expensive tv (with a great image) plus a projector (with crappy low detail visuals) surrounding it when you can just get a nice projector and have a huge beautiful projected image (and no tv)? If you want a wall of immersion why not just use a regular projector on a blank wall and/or hang projector screen over your stuff!

Even if you argue that the peripheral vision images on a huge wall really don't need to be as detailed, I could simulate that in software with a projector and an increasingly less detailed outside image (one with a much smoother transition than the abrupt high res image to tv frame to projected image we have here).

In fact, why not just do that now on every tv? Every game from now on can have really nice detailed images in the center of your tv screen (no matter what it's size) and a black boarder of less detailed bullshit around it. Let me tell you why, Because gamers wouldn't go for it. Why sacrifice any part of the visual field to crappy low res images. We want high res images on the entire screen.

By this logic a full wall projector set up is a way better solution. I'll say it again, this tech just doesn't add up imo!

I don't care how long you've been drinking Microsoft's cool aide, this space ship is made of tin foil and bubble gum. As usual, they can prob make it fly on magical marketing power alone, but it isn't going to fly very far.

You don't see the advantage because you don't understand what illumiroom is doing.

It extends the field of view, a normal projector doesn't. It would just display that what you see on a TV on a wall instead.
Now illumiroom doesn't even need a blank wall to work. It's designed to work with (pretty much) every TV setup, since it uses the TV as the main screen.
Using a normal projector on a TV shouldn't work too well, HUD elements would be displayed on shelves instead, where they would be hard to see etc.
Then it can display all those effects shown in the video without putting these effects on the main screen, which would distract from the gameplay and what really happens in the game.
That's the advantage of having two seperate video signals painting one picture. Otherwise these effects would be visible in every game even though a user might not even have illumiroom.



Proclus on 01 May 2013

Would be very interested if they can get it working well in a retail device.