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AshKetchum1992 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I hope the PS4 recaptures the highly successful fomula of the PS2 and push towards 150 million ltd sales over 10 years. First the PS4 cracks 100 million sales within 6 years, 150 million ltd sales should follow.

Metal Gear Solid 5, God of War 4, Killzone 4, Uncharted 4, Gran Turismo 6 among other games exclusive to the PS4 should help the PS4 sell well in its first few years. There will indeed be some high selling new IPs that will help boost PS4 sales. High selling multi-platform series including Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy series, Battlefield series, Call of duty series, various sports games series will help push PS4 sales.

PS4 should match or beat the Wii/PS2 sales in its first few years on the market and push on towards reaching its 100 million and 150 million sales targets.

Gran Turismo 7, GT6 will be released on PS3.


It might release on both, but it's only speculation at this point. Sony hasn't officially announced the game anyways..



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ShadowSoldier said:
The recent Xbox rumors are very very troubling. I've had bad experiences with contracts and I vow never to fall into that pitfall again. So if MS wants a Sub for my support..they can go fuck themselves in the ass with an aids dick while headbutting a knife

I don't see how offering the OPTION for a subsidized model could hurt.  If the only non-subsidized one is $500 and they're the only ones who charge for basic online play and app access then yeah it's gonna be a problem but if the non-subsidized model is as much as PS4's non-subsidized model then it couldn't hurt.




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Zero999 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Zero999 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

just forget it. i dont want to get into an argument about wii u and its sales because i'll just end up getting banned. its nice that some are still optimistic about the wii u but looking at its current state, i really dont see how anyone can be.

Please just explain what exactly that state is. Because what i see is a console that's new to the market with a drought period of games about to end. after holydays 2013 we will al have a better idea of how it will fare.

the wii u is selling so slow it would take like 5 years just to hit 20m sold.. not a very good state is it? why would the holidays change anything? it'll be competing with much cheaper PS3/360 with massive library of games. its a very sticky situation for nintendo.

Let me spell wii u situation for you: it's a new videogame that haven't received it's system sellers yet, it's current sales are irrelevant so come talk after the big hitters come.

And you seriously dare to ask "why would the holydays change anything"? I don't know, maybe mario 3d, mario kart, smash bros, SMT X FE, bayonetta 2, wonderfull 101, yoshi yarn, monolith X, retro project, watch dogs, batman, AC 4 + whatever unanounceds titles there are. most of those games should be released by this year's end, with some being left for 2014. 

Oh my, a new console competing with cheaper previous generation consoles that have a bigger library, I think that's the first time in history that happens. If that was a reason for a console to fail then NES would have been the last sucessfull console in the world.

We will see if it makes a big difference. All we know is that the iconic Nintendo franchises alone weren't enough to save the N64 and Gamecube. I also doubt people will care for watered down ports of games like Watch Dogs. Everyone and their grandmother is excited about that game, but keep in mind we have only seen it running on a high-end pc and ps4. The Wii-U, ps3 and 360 will probably look like garbage in comparison to the next gen / pc versions. 



Zero999 said:

He was talking about the mainstream software that made the Wii sell and not the motion controls. And again Wii-U does not seem to have the same mainstream appeal.

And Wii-U will not have all the multi-platform titles the PS4 and Nextbox will have. Once PS3 and X360 stopping getting these multi platform games and developers start focusing on the PS4 and nextbox alot will pass by the Wii-U aswell.

And even if it would get all the same multi platform titles, gamers who are mainly buying a console for those multi-platform games will buy a PS4 or the next xbox. It doesn't make any sense to buy a much weaker system for your favorite games.

So what do you end up with? Only the gamers that put Nintendo's franchises first will buy a Wii-U, aka another gamecube, with maybe a few million casuals buying it because it is ''the new Wii'' once the price is right.

 

bolded 1: if you think third party's won't port 8th generation games to wii u (if it doesn't become the leading platform) you are delusional. companys like money, a wii u port will give them more money, it's pretty simple.

bolded 2: wii u isn't much weaker than their future competitors and your will isn't gonna change that unless you develop curé syndrome. a gamer who buys a console for multiplatform will get the cheaper console with the best exclusives, a.k.a wii u. In case you didn't notice, when someone plays a videogame there isn't a magical screen that makes a side by side comparison with other consoles so you can see wich has 10 more pixels. As you stated, these people want the multiplatforms so any console that has them is an option and wii u is the cheapest one.

I'm done discussing this, if you really think people who play games like Call of Duty, GTA, Fifa, Assasins creed etc. will pick the Wii-U as their primary system you're living in another dimention. Wii-U doesn't even ship with a descent controller for those games(and no people are not going to hold a big clumsy tablet controller to frag in COD). 5-6 times more powerfull makes all the difference in the world, not just to gamers but to developers aswell.

People will buy a Wii-U if Nintendo's franchises are the most important to them, if not they will pick PS4 or nextxbox.



goopy20 said:

We will see if it makes a big difference. All we know is that the iconic Nintendo franchises alone weren't enough to save the N64 and Gamecube. I also doubt people will care for watered down ports of games like Watch Dogs. Everyone and their grandmother is excited about that game, but keep in mind we have only seen it running on a high-end pc and ps4. The Wii-U, ps3 and 360 will probably look like garbage in comparison to the next gen / pc versions. 

again with the N64 and gamecube sh#t, for a console with expensive games and like, 0 multiplatforms, nintendo franchises kinda helped N64 by A LOT. ps2 was already dominating when gc and xbox came.

First of all, no game will look like garbage anymore, it's just not possible. that aside, again you put the wii u in the same league as ps360, wich serves to show how delusional you are. the game never had any ps4 footage by the way, so far it was all pc.

And go read my post, there isn't a magical screen that makes side by side comparison, showing the small and irrelevant differences between wii u and ps4/next box. only haters think people care.



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AnthonyW86 said:

I'm done discussing this, if you really think people who play games like Call of Duty, GTA, Fifa, Assasins creed etc. will pick the Wii-U as their primary system you're living in another dimention. Wii-U doesn't even ship with a descent controller for those games(and no people are not going to hold a big clumsy tablet controller to frag in COD). 5-6 times more powerfull makes all the difference in the world, not just to gamers but to developers aswell.

People will buy a Wii-U if Nintendo's franchises are the most important to them, if not they will pick PS4 or nextxbox.

and we go back to the controller excuse again. right, because a controler with 2 analogues, + pad, abxy buttons, l,r,zl,zr that holds and plays like tradicional controlers is certainly a challenge to use. 

ps4 and nextbox MIGHT be 5-6 times more powerfull than their predecessors, wich means they're only marginally more powerfull than wii u.



Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I'm done discussing this, if you really think people who play games like Call of Duty, GTA, Fifa, Assasins creed etc. will pick the Wii-U as their primary system you're living in another dimention. Wii-U doesn't even ship with a descent controller for those games(and no people are not going to hold a big clumsy tablet controller to frag in COD). 5-6 times more powerfull makes all the difference in the world, not just to gamers but to developers aswell.

People will buy a Wii-U if Nintendo's franchises are the most important to them, if not they will pick PS4 or nextxbox.

and we go back to the controller excuse again. right, because a controler with 2 analogues, + pad, abxy buttons, l,r,zl,zr that holds and plays like tradicional controlers is certainly a challenge to use. 

ps4 and nextbox MIGHT be 5-6 times more powerfull than their predecessors, wich means they're only marginally more powerfull than wii u.

It IS 5-6 times as powerfull in computing power, it also has 4 times the memory at much higher speeds. And that really isn't a marginal difference, anything under 100% difference is marginall. The biggest difference being that Wii-U won't be able to do physics like PS4 and nextbox can, therefore if these become an important part of the gameplay Wii-U can't run those games.

But there's no use in arguing about this anymore, i'm just afraid people might make a wrong decision in purchasing the Wii-U for the wrong reasons.

A friend of mine was thinking about buying one because he wanted to play some of the motion controll games from the Wii again and thought that if he bought a Wii-U he would be settled for the next 5 years getting all the same games exactly the same way as he would on a PS4. He wasn't informed about any technical aspects just like you mentioned most people aren't.

When i told him that the PS4 is going to be much more advanced and that Nintendo isn't well known for the best third party support(i said ''getting games like GTA and COD) he was suprised. He ended up buying an discounted Wii instead and is now saving for the new Xbox(yeah his fellow students play xbox, so no PS4).

The thing is if you're not really interested in Nintendo's own games there is no reason to buy a Wii-U and you're going to get the better experience on a PS4 and Nxbox for the other games, if they are even released for Wii-U.



AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I'm done discussing this, if you really think people who play games like Call of Duty, GTA, Fifa, Assasins creed etc. will pick the Wii-U as their primary system you're living in another dimention. Wii-U doesn't even ship with a descent controller for those games(and no people are not going to hold a big clumsy tablet controller to frag in COD). 5-6 times more powerfull makes all the difference in the world, not just to gamers but to developers aswell.

People will buy a Wii-U if Nintendo's franchises are the most important to them, if not they will pick PS4 or nextxbox.

and we go back to the controller excuse again. right, because a controler with 2 analogues, + pad, abxy buttons, l,r,zl,zr that holds and plays like tradicional controlers is certainly a challenge to use. 

ps4 and nextbox MIGHT be 5-6 times more powerfull than their predecessors, wich means they're only marginally more powerfull than wii u.

It IS 5-6 times as powerfull in computing power, it also has 4 times the memory at much higher speeds. And that really isn't a marginal difference, anything under 100% difference is marginall. The biggest difference being that Wii-U won't be able to do physics like PS4 and nextbox can, therefore if these become an important part of the gameplay Wii-U can't run those games.

But there's no use in arguing about this anymore, i'm just afraid people might make a wrong decision in purchasing the Wii-U for the wrong reasons.

A friend of mine was thinking about buying one because he wanted to play some of the motion controll games from the Wii again and thought that if he bought a Wii-U he would be settled for the next 5 years getting all the same games exactly the same way as he would on a PS4. He wasn't informed about any technical aspects just like you mentioned most people aren't.

When i told him that the PS4 is going to be much more advanced and that Nintendo isn't well known for the best third party support(i said ''getting games like GTA and COD) he was suprised. He ended up buying an discounted Wii instead and is now saving for the new Xbox(yeah his fellow students play xbox, so no PS4).

The thing is if you're not really interested in Nintendo's own games there is no reason to buy a Wii-U and you're going to get the better experience on a PS4 and Nxbox for the other games, if they are even released for Wii-U.

are you blind? i said they might be 5-6 times more powerfull than THE PS3 AND XBOX 360. THE WII U IS LIKE 3-4 TIMES THOSE CONSOLES, THUS MAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WII U AND PS4/NEXTBOX ONLY MARGINAL.

IF someone isn't interested in sony/microsoft own games, wii u is just as good as an option, if not better.



Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I'm done discussing this, if you really think people who play games like Call of Duty, GTA, Fifa, Assasins creed etc. will pick the Wii-U as their primary system you're living in another dimention. Wii-U doesn't even ship with a descent controller for those games(and no people are not going to hold a big clumsy tablet controller to frag in COD). 5-6 times more powerfull makes all the difference in the world, not just to gamers but to developers aswell.

People will buy a Wii-U if Nintendo's franchises are the most important to them, if not they will pick PS4 or nextxbox.

and we go back to the controller excuse again. right, because a controler with 2 analogues, + pad, abxy buttons, l,r,zl,zr that holds and plays like tradicional controlers is certainly a challenge to use. 

ps4 and nextbox MIGHT be 5-6 times more powerfull than their predecessors, wich means they're only marginally more powerfull than wii u.

It IS 5-6 times as powerfull in computing power, it also has 4 times the memory at much higher speeds. And that really isn't a marginal difference, anything under 100% difference is marginall. The biggest difference being that Wii-U won't be able to do physics like PS4 and nextbox can, therefore if these become an important part of the gameplay Wii-U can't run those games.

But there's no use in arguing about this anymore, i'm just afraid people might make a wrong decision in purchasing the Wii-U for the wrong reasons.

A friend of mine was thinking about buying one because he wanted to play some of the motion controll games from the Wii again and thought that if he bought a Wii-U he would be settled for the next 5 years getting all the same games exactly the same way as he would on a PS4. He wasn't informed about any technical aspects just like you mentioned most people aren't.

When i told him that the PS4 is going to be much more advanced and that Nintendo isn't well known for the best third party support(i said ''getting games like GTA and COD) he was suprised. He ended up buying an discounted Wii instead and is now saving for the new Xbox(yeah his fellow students play xbox, so no PS4).

The thing is if you're not really interested in Nintendo's own games there is no reason to buy a Wii-U and you're going to get the better experience on a PS4 and Nxbox for the other games, if they are even released for Wii-U.

are you blind? i said they might be 5-6 times more powerfull than THE PS3 AND XBOX 360. THE WII U IS LIKE 3-4 TIMES THOSE CONSOLES, THUS MAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WII U AND PS4/NEXTBOX ONLY MARGINAL.

IF someone isn't interested in sony/microsoft own games, wii u is just as good as an option, if not better.

I see that you're new to these forums and it shows because you're acting like a clown in my opinion. Go do some searching before screaming things you know nothing about, not one thing you just stated is true.



AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:

are you blind? i said they might be 5-6 times more powerfull than THE PS3 AND XBOX 360. THE WII U IS LIKE 3-4 TIMES THOSE CONSOLES, THUS MAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WII U AND PS4/NEXTBOX ONLY MARGINAL.

IF someone isn't interested in sony/microsoft own games, wii u is just as good as an option, if not better.

I see that you're new to these forums and it shows because you're acting like a clown in my opinion. Go do some searching before screaming things you know nothing about, not one thing you just stated is true.

go do some math. the next consoles would have to be 20+ times their predecessors in orther to be 5-6 times the wii u.