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Is Nintendo even able or willing to surprise anymore?

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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 April 2013
mii-gamer said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KingKazuma34 said:
Soundwave said:

If Nintendo made a new IP in the scope of Zelda, Halo, or Metroid Prime and it was targeted a bit more at older players, and really utilized the Wii U's chipset -- that would shock the hell outta me, lol. Outside of X, which is basically Xenoblade 2 from the looks of it.


So SMTxFE, The Last Story, Zombiu, Bayonetta 2 and Project X like you already stated do not interest you or older gamers?


Nintendo didn't make those but Project X counts as first party since they bought the compay. Much like Microsoft they leave the outside creativity to third parties. They keep first party business the same as usual. Make new games and reskin them with old characters as a selling point.


Yep i agree Nintendo has absolutely no creativity at all. I have never seen them think outside the box, they have never dared to be different and they have never introduced any industry standards. Fuck Nintendo, dem copy cats.

Thank god for Sony. They got modnation racers, Uncharted, Playstation Move, trophies, analoque sticks, rumble feature, first wireless controller and Playstation all stars battle royale. Sony leading the industry while everyone else follows.

Im not ignorant or completely bias.

I am not talking about Sony because if you talk about how many IP's they've made vs Nintendo it will end in failure. I learned about how Nintnedo works through their relationship with rare. They could've given us a new IP but they reskin games because if they like a new gameplay style is like the only way they think they can sell it. 



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KingKazuma34 on 21 April 2013

I just dont get how you can say Sony always has new IP's. Sure there are a couple but other than that you got Killzone 4, uncharted 3, god of war whatever number it is on, jak 3, sly 4, gran turismo 6, resistance 3, and plenty others. So it is not just Nintendo that reuses franchises, everyone does it.



 

mii-gamer on 21 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
mii-gamer said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KingKazuma34 said:
Soundwave said:

If Nintendo made a new IP in the scope of Zelda, Halo, or Metroid Prime and it was targeted a bit more at older players, and really utilized the Wii U's chipset -- that would shock the hell outta me, lol. Outside of X, which is basically Xenoblade 2 from the looks of it.


So SMTxFE, The Last Story, Zombiu, Bayonetta 2 and Project X like you already stated do not interest you or older gamers?


Nintendo didn't make those but Project X counts as first party since they bought the compay. Much like Microsoft they leave the outside creativity to third parties. They keep first party business the same as usual. Make new games and reskin them with old characters as a selling point.


Yep i agree Nintendo has absolutely no creativity at all. I have never seen them think outside the box, they have never dared to be different and they have never introduced any industry standards. Fuck Nintendo, dem copy cats.

Thank god for Sony. They got modnation racers, Uncharted, Playstation Move, trophies, analoque sticks, rumble feature, first wireless controller and Playstation all stars battle royale. Sony leading the industry while everyone else follows.

Im not ignorant or completely bias.

I am not talking about Sony because if you talk about how many IP's they've made vs Nintendo it will end in failure. I learned about how Nintnedo works through their relationship with rare. They could've given us a new IP but they reskin games because if they like a new gameplay style is like the only way they think they can sell it. 

I just pointed how completely wrong you were. If we compare the quality of IPS between nintendo and sony, we all know who wins. The difference between Sony and Nintendo - is that Nintendo knows how to make a winning formula and continue to evolve them through decades, Sony in the other hand will experiment with new IP's some will fail and some will be succesfful and continue on (i.e god of war, uncharted, gran turismo). Quality over qauntity and no doubt Nintendo has the qaulity



Osc89 on 21 April 2013
mii-gamer said:
I just pointed how completely wrong you were. If we compare the quality of IPS between nintendo and sony, we all know who wins. The difference between Sony and Nintendo - is that Nintendo knows how to make a winning formula and continue to evolve them through decades, Sony in the other hand will experiment with new IP's some will fail and some will be succesfful and continue on (i.e god of war, uncharted, gran turismo). Quality over qauntity and no doubt Nintendo has the qaulity


Well Sony made 12 90+ games for the PS3, whereas Nintendo only made 8 for the Wii. 5 of the PS3 games were new IP for this generation, while 0 of the Wii ones were. If Nintendo want to be known for having the best quality IPs, then they are going to have to do more than evolve the same formula.

OP: I think they are able but unwilling. They realise that they can make great games and have guaranteed sales if they push a game into one of the main franchises. However this is limiting the creativity to some extent. Given how amazing and fresh a game like Super Mario Galaxy can be when they are still tied to Mario, I would love to see what they can do when they start from scratch. I think they have the talent to set the bar, but while they are unwilling and playing it safe with remakes they won't.



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noname2200 on 21 April 2013
Osc89 said:


Well Sony made 12 90+ games for the PS3, whereas Nintendo only made 8 for the Wii. 5 of the PS3 games were new IP for this generation, while 0 of the Wii ones were. If Nintendo want to be known for having the best quality IPs, then they are going to have to do more than evolve the same formula.

You're using metacritic as the sole support for your argument.

Do you see where you went wrong?



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Fusioncode on 21 April 2013
KingKazuma34 said:
I just dont get how you can say Sony always has new IP's. Sure there are a couple but other than that you got Killzone 4, uncharted 3, god of war whatever number it is on, jak 3, sly 4, gran turismo 6, resistance 3, and plenty others. So it is not just Nintendo that reuses franchises, everyone does it.


Sony has new IPs coming every single year. This year they've got Gravity Rush, The Puppeteer, The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, Knack, Drive Club, and probably others I'm forgetting. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

echoesfromthepast on 21 April 2013
KHlover said:
Chrizum said:

With the announcement of the new 3DS Zelda and previously Animal Crossing, Zelda OoT 3D, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Donkey Kong Country, and many more, which are all practically remakes: what does this say about the direction Nintendo has taken? Just about every Nintendo game lately harkens back to the olden days. I know some people will love it but remember the N64? Nintendo was miles beyond any developer at that time, with games that were absolutely mindblowing, cutting edge and just perfect. Playing Nintendo games now feels like a trip down to memory lane. And it bores me to death.

Is this a case of unable or unwilling to blow people's minds? 'Cause the last time I was blown away by a Nintendo game was Super Mario Galaxy, which was truly innovative and clever. Almost everything after seems like polished up old games.

What about Kid Icarus: Uprising? I'm pretty sure no one would have expected Nintendo to move the IP into the HnS/Rail Shooter genre (although simplified). The story was suprisingly deep, the characters were well developed and the humor was awesome. Nintendo totally blew my expectations away with this game^^


This ^^
Also - have you played FE: Awakening?
Also - I was super surprised at the X trailer



     
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Player2 on 21 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KingKazuma34 said:
Soundwave said:

If Nintendo made a new IP in the scope of Zelda, Halo, or Metroid Prime and it was targeted a bit more at older players, and really utilized the Wii U's chipset -- that would shock the hell outta me, lol. Outside of X, which is basically Xenoblade 2 from the looks of it.


So SMTxFE, The Last Story, Zombiu, Bayonetta 2 and Project X like you already stated do not interest you or older gamers?


Nintendo didn't make those but Project X counts as first party since they bought the compay. Much like Microsoft they leave the outside creativity to third parties. They keep first party business the same as usual. Make new games and reskin them with old characters as a selling point.

Okay, I have to admit that I'm curious. What criteria are you using for a game to be considered first party?



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 April 2013
Player2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KingKazuma34 said:
Soundwave said:

If Nintendo made a new IP in the scope of Zelda, Halo, or Metroid Prime and it was targeted a bit more at older players, and really utilized the Wii U's chipset -- that would shock the hell outta me, lol. Outside of X, which is basically Xenoblade 2 from the looks of it.


So SMTxFE, The Last Story, Zombiu, Bayonetta 2 and Project X like you already stated do not interest you or older gamers?


Nintendo didn't make those but Project X counts as first party since they bought the compay. Much like Microsoft they leave the outside creativity to third parties. They keep first party business the same as usual. Make new games and reskin them with old characters as a selling point.

Okay, I have to admit that I'm curious. What criteria are you using for a game to be considered first party?


LOL...First party is first party. Its a game made by the company themselves or a subsidiary that they own. Nintendo allows the third party or second party to create the games they wouldn't traditionally make. That was pretty much their relationship with Rare.



Player2 on 21 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Player2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KingKazuma34 said:
Soundwave said:

If Nintendo made a new IP in the scope of Zelda, Halo, or Metroid Prime and it was targeted a bit more at older players, and really utilized the Wii U's chipset -- that would shock the hell outta me, lol. Outside of X, which is basically Xenoblade 2 from the looks of it.


So SMTxFE, The Last Story, Zombiu, Bayonetta 2 and Project X like you already stated do not interest you or older gamers?


Nintendo didn't make those but Project X counts as first party since they bought the compay. Much like Microsoft they leave the outside creativity to third parties. They keep first party business the same as usual. Make new games and reskin them with old characters as a selling point.

Okay, I have to admit that I'm curious. What criteria are you using for a game to be considered first party?


LOL...First party is first party. Its a game made by the company themselves or a subsidiary that they own.

In that case then all Halos except for Halo 4, Gears of War, Project Gotham, Journey, Ratchet and Clank, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, White Knight Chronicles, Dark Cloud, Rogue Galaxy, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, the old Spyro games and many others aren't first party.

Time for adjustments I guess.