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thekitchensink on 30 January 2008

@Dodece: interesting! If Sony were forced out of the American market, they'd practically be a non-factor in this console race.



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cleveland124 on 30 January 2008
viewsonic9 said:
cleveland124 said:
You guys think this is a good thing for Sony?  The PS2 outsold the Xbox by almost 22 million units in Japan.  The 360 is dead in Japan.  The fact that you can take Europe and Japan and 360 still has a lead is a testament to a good business decision by xbox and the lack of total business sense by Sony to release a $600 game machine.

That's one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. You do realise that the PS3 has been out for 11 months less than the 360 in Japan and about 15 months less in Pal regions?

Since its launch in Pal regions the 360 has sold about 215,000 per month there compared to the PS3 selling an average of 400,000.

How can that not be a good thing that the PS3 is selling twice as fast as the 360 in Pal regions? How can it not be a good sign for the future that the PS3 is selling in all regions?

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who criticize Sony's gaming strategy when they have sold more home consoles in 13 years than Nintendo have in 30. How on earth can you criticize their lack of business sense when the 8 year old PS2 is outselling the 360 so far this year?


It's very simple, 90% of the gaming public thought PS3 would own the market by now.  Developers don't care that the PS3 has been out for 11 months less in Japan or 15 months less in Pal regions.  Did this help the Xbox against the PS2, and extend the life of the xbox?  Games will sell better currently and the foreseeable future on the 360.  Or did you miss the rash of PS3 game cancellations and the big titles that either got ported to the 360/Wii or moved altogether?  The Xbox 360 and PS3 lives will end at the same time regardless because neither has become the phenomenom that was the PS2 or PS1 for that matter. 

PS3 is not selling twice as fast as 360.  To compare launch to launch you are looking at a launch where the 360 had extremely limited supply to a launch where PS3 had 1 million units.  Current sales are better to compare since neither is supply constrained.  Current sales according to the site are 46% better than 360.  This sounds good until you realize the Wii outsells the PS3 + Xbox360 in Europe.  But you are probably in your dream world and believe that the PS3 doesn't compete with Wii. 

 Sony did an AMAZING job with PS1 and PS2, no complaints there.  But that doesn't mean they are foolproof.  The PS3 has been a nightmare from the start.  We can argue til we are blue in the face about their launch, but if you'd have said PS3 wouldn't sell 10 million in it's first 15 mos on the market, would sell less than half as much as the Wii during that time, and had no chance of passing the 360 worldwide by the end of 2008, people would have laughed at you and called you the dumbest person on earth.  Notwithstanding arguing that this was a good thing for the PS3.

 



cleveland124 on 30 January 2008

Tastewise, the market for Europe and US go together better than Japan and Europe except for soccer games. So if you have a quirky Japan game you'd want to look at only Japan. Then you'd see this.

Marketshare Lifetodate Most Recent Sales
Wii 67.8% 66.3%
PS3 24.6% 29.9%
Xbox360 7.6% 3.7%

If you had an American/Europe game, such as a WRPG, Racing game, or FPS, you'd look at America and Europe to project sales and you'd see this.

Marketshare Lifetodate Most recent Sales
Wii 39.4% 53.3%
Xbox360 40.9% 24.3%
PS3 19.6% 22.4%

So I stand firm to my belief that the only people that care if PS3 outsells xbox360 excluding America are Sony fanboys. PS3 has certainly increased it's marketshare, but it's far from clearing any hurdle. Especially, most developers say that it becomes less of a risk when a console sells at least 5 M in Japan, 5 M in others, and 10 M in America. There is very little chance for the PS3 of hitting those Japan/America targets by the end of 2008, maybe even by the end of 2009. It should hit the europe target in a couple of months. The wii will hit the America 10 M in a couple of months, and Xbox 360 will never hit 5 M in Japan which is why it is dead in the water in Japan and most Japanese developers don't take it seriously.



Mummelmann on 30 January 2008

It is indeed very close, MS can only live off of one market for so long.
I can't believe you guys think that Sony would be doomed if they lost all sales in America, yet you don't realize how much trouble MS actually is in having only one market. The world > North America, in case you didn't know (or in case you're ignoring it on purpose).



Goddbless on 30 January 2008
Neos said:
why ehm..why would you exclude america?

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lvader on 30 January 2008
Mummelmann said:
It is indeed very close, MS can only live off of one market for so long.
I can't believe you guys think that Sony would be doomed if they lost all sales in America, yet you don't realize how much trouble MS actually is in having only one market. The world > North America, in case you didn't know (or in case you're ignoring it on purpose).

The 360 is also very strong in the UK which is by far the biggest games market outside of the US and Japan.



godf on 30 January 2008

The PS3 is doing well in most of Europe now, but really, in such a global industry, it's the global market that matters. Even if you are only ahead because of one makret, you're still ahead, and developers/publishers will still stand to make the most money from your format.



ZenfoldorVGI on 30 January 2008
Dodece said:
@CrazzyMan

While it boggles the mind Sony is actually making progress weekly in North America in a almost demented sort of way. They comprise less then sixteen percent of the domestic market, but last week they accounted for eighteen percent of market sales. Their market penetration is improving.

That said I think Microsoft and Nintendo are letting a golden opportunity slip between their fingers. Both are failing to be aggressive enough, and that could prove to be their undoing. They are in a perfect position to drive Sony out of the North American market. Nintendo should be focusing supply into the market, and Microsoft should be dropping the price on their console in an attempt to enter the mainstream market.

The reality is this if they both made the real concerted effort to do this one thing they could probably slash the PS3s lifespan in half, because getting blocked out of half the market is an effective death sentence. Microsoft has shown you can survive without Japan, and Nintendo has survived in the past without relying on Europe, but has any global console survived for long without North America.

Given the lack of aggression it appears that the PS3 is only going to get stronger over time not weaker. The higher the console sales get the better the PS3s domestic position will be, because it becomes harder to rest their market share from them.

For example sake if Nintendo sold fifteen million, Microsoft sold ten million, and Sony sold five million. In the first year Sony would account for 16.5% of the market. Now if the second year were to repeat the first identically even though the other two competitors still tripled and double the sales of Sony. Sony would still control the same percentage of the market.

I think North America can only become a concern for Sony if they develop a diminishing market share. Rather then the others merely having greater bulk sales. Sony can effectively work off a smaller market share if they can spread the load globally. They certainly will not get forced out of any market with a greater then fifteen percent market share.

Sony really doesn't have to do squat as long as the others aren't forcing them into a corner. They are not doing great, but they are doing well enough and doing better. I think the competition has a small window that is closing quickly. The only question is will they see it, or in fact do anything about it. Give Sony a few more unmolested months, and their position will be permanent if not secure. Then how it performs outside of North America will matter greatly.

You would think that Nintendo and Microsoft would welcome the prospect, but perhaps they are being too small minded about it cashing in the short term at the expense of the long term. They would generate far more money if the pie was only being divided by two, and the effect would increase their success globally. Sony has actually gotten rather lucky over the past couple months.

For this argumetn to work, you have to assume the Wii is in direct console sale vs console sale competition with the PS3. Remember, the Sony fanboys don't believe that, because if it were true, it would mean that the Wii is kicking the PS3's ass. Therefore, they can't believe your argument, due to their personal religious beliefs.



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Salamursu on 30 January 2008
cleveland124 said:

 Games will sell better currently and the foreseeable future on the 360.  Or did you miss the rash of PS3 game cancellations and the big titles that either got ported to the 360/Wii or moved altogether? 

I am not sure if I understood your statement correctly and whether I'm reading the figures right but to me it seems that PS3 software is outselling 360 software. http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php



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Fastrabbit09 on 30 January 2008

u are reading it wrong

that is only EUROPE numbers for ONE week



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