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considering the variables, is ps3 more successful than 360?

Numbers are Numbers, 360 is doing better. 134 19.12%
 
Considering the variables... 512 73.04%
 
These Variables shouldn'... 26 3.71%
 
Other, please specify! 29 4.14%
 
Total:701
walsufnir on 26 March 2013
Mazty said:

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load.


Where do you get this from?



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slowmo on 26 March 2013
walsufnir said:
Mazty said:

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load.


Where do you get this from?


Thin air because nobody knows the actual figure.  No point bringing facts into a debate on VG Chartz though is there lol



Carl on 26 March 2013
Mazty said:
Carl2291 said:
The 360 is more successful.

Sold more.
Made more money.
Sold more software.
Increase in sales and marketshare over last generation.


Sold more? Not when you compare it to a week by week basis. Ignoring the year lead is arbitrary.

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load. We need to see net profit. 

Since when was software sold indicitive of how the console sold? Arbitrary rule.

Yes the increase in sales and marketshare is indeed positive for the 360, but hardly negative for the PS3...That's like saying because Bolt won the 100m sprint that's a victory for him and a loss for everyone else...

Rather than pointlessly arguing against your... Erm... Points. Im gonna ask you a question. And everyone else here too.

Can you put forward an argument for how the PS3 has been more successful than the 360 over the entire generation? Yes, the entire generation. From the day the 360 launched.



                            

NobleTeam360 on 26 March 2013

Wait I thought this was already known? The fact that your trying to skew the numbers and put negatives against the 360 is a little petty.



ktay95 on 26 March 2013

who actually cares, OUYA OUYA OUYA. now your playing with power... just not a whole lot of it :(



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sales2099 on 26 March 2013

In terms of actual success....

360 profited more, PS3 profited less.
PS3 lost more money then 360 has
Gen over gen, Xbox brand giant leap forward, PS brand one behind.

Even with people buying multiple 360s, its just a testament to how desired it is.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

MaxwellAllen on 26 March 2013

Here are the variables... YES.

Lol. Dude, PS3 dominates every week. Yes.

Sadly all three hardware manufactures had a pretty shoddy generation. Sony did nothing but bleed, microsoft succeeded yet hasn't made a single cent in profit for their 'xbox division' now hidden within their 'entertainment division' and of coarse nintendo lost 30%+ of ther networth and are basically back to being irrelevant. Bad times all around.

To think smartphone games, just a few years ago were a joke. No way these goofy, crummy cellphone games could even touch the console business. N-Gage all over again lol...

Yeah...... we were all wrong!



nightsurge on 26 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:
Carl2291 said:
The 360 is more successful.

Sold more. 
Made more money.
Sold more software.
Increase in sales and marketshare over last generation.

Off-topic. This isn't what the thread is discussing. OP is asking about pure sales and if you align the launches, the PS3 has been selling better.

1. Not if you align the launches.
2. You have no way to prove that, besides both the XBox 360 and PS3 lost billions for their respective corporations. Yes, you heard me, BOTH. Whether one of them lost more money than the other is irrelevnat. That's like a murderer telling someone he is a better person than another murderer because he killed 1 less person.
3. Yes, it did. But if you align the launches I wonder if this would still be true. 
4. True.

Most of Xbox 360s success all comes down to that 1-year headstart. Yes in a way the 360 is more successful but I refer you back to my analogy above. If I wanted to I could argue that the PS3 is more successful considering everything it has overcome such as the high launch price and fierce competition. But that is a thread for another day.


Firstly - 

Pokeslob said:

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with those variables in mind, would you say that the ps3 is actually more successful than 360, or not?

explain why, I'm interested :)

He asks about success in his OP. Sales success, Im assuming, which is why my post was full of sales-related stuff. Right, now thats out of the way I can break apart the rest of your post.

1. Aligned launches dont really matter. Its the "here and now" that matters. Right now, there's probably less than a Million between them in the real world. We dont have that long to go until we find out... But right now, all data we have is showing the 360 has sold more units than the PS3 worldwide, lifetime to date. Until data is shown that proves otherwise (Not a thought from Tretton or a boast from Ballmer), then we can assume the 360 is still ahead.

2. You have a point there. There is no proof, just common sense. Its pretty obvious that the 360 has made more money than the PS3. Its been profiting since '08-09, it hasnt had an official sustained worldwide pricecut since then and its had Slim boosts/profits since '10 and over 24 Million Kinect's have been sold at pure, gigantic profit since 2010 also. Then you add on the 10's of Millions of Xbox Live Gold subscribers and it gets funny. Its quite clear to anyone really.

You also need to keep in mind, that the PS3 was still losing money after the Slim was released in late '09. Approximately ~$35 per console, down from the huge ~$250 loss per PS3 at launch. The PS3 started to make money during 2010, barely.

Btw, I found a good thread regarding 360 profits here on VGChartz. Its from back in 2010, so things will look a whole lot better for Xbox profit-wise now as both the 360 and Kinect will be cheaper per unit for MS to ppush out. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=119878

Hey, that's my thread! Oh wow, it's been so long since I was a really active member on here.

I can't believe I predicted pricecuts in 2011 way back then, and they STILL haven't happened. The profits of back then could have only gotten higher since then. Definitely is a testament to their profitability when the Xbox's Microsoft EDD division has posted profits while heavy R&D on the NextBox was going on.



sales2099 on 26 March 2013
Mazty said:
Carl2291 said:
The 360 is more successful.

Sold more.
Made more money.
Sold more software.
Increase in sales and marketshare over last generation.


Sold more? Not when you compare it to a week by week basis. Ignoring the year lead is arbitrary.

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load. We need to see net profit. 

Since when was software sold indicitive of how the console sold? Arbitrary rule.

Yes the increase in sales and marketshare is indeed positive for the 360, but hardly negative for the PS3...That's like saying because Bolt won the 100m sprint that's a victory for him and a loss for everyone else...

It did sell more though. Pretending they launched at the same time is liek creating an alternate universe where SOny didnt poorly mismanage their business. It happened, they lainched late, and the sales will reflect that.

RROD costed over a vbillion, but PS3 lost a FEW BILLION by "just existing" in its first few years. PS3 factually lost more money and profited much later then 360 started to.

Software sold just means thats where the gamers are going. Cant say PS3 is more successful if the gaemrs buy 90 million more games on another console.....

Compared to PS2....it is nothing but negative for PS3. I cant see how youd spin it positive when talking gen over gen.



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Hynad on 26 March 2013

Unless any of you have actual number figures, you're talking out of your asses.







Sorry, had to be said.