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nightsurge on 26 March 2013
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Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:
Carl2291 said:
The 360 is more successful.

Sold more. 
Made more money.
Sold more software.
Increase in sales and marketshare over last generation.

Off-topic. This isn't what the thread is discussing. OP is asking about pure sales and if you align the launches, the PS3 has been selling better.

1. Not if you align the launches.
2. You have no way to prove that, besides both the XBox 360 and PS3 lost billions for their respective corporations. Yes, you heard me, BOTH. Whether one of them lost more money than the other is irrelevnat. That's like a murderer telling someone he is a better person than another murderer because he killed 1 less person.
3. Yes, it did. But if you align the launches I wonder if this would still be true. 
4. True.

Most of Xbox 360s success all comes down to that 1-year headstart. Yes in a way the 360 is more successful but I refer you back to my analogy above. If I wanted to I could argue that the PS3 is more successful considering everything it has overcome such as the high launch price and fierce competition. But that is a thread for another day.


Firstly - 

Pokeslob said:

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with those variables in mind, would you say that the ps3 is actually more successful than 360, or not?

explain why, I'm interested :)

He asks about success in his OP. Sales success, Im assuming, which is why my post was full of sales-related stuff. Right, now thats out of the way I can break apart the rest of your post.

1. Aligned launches dont really matter. Its the "here and now" that matters. Right now, there's probably less than a Million between them in the real world. We dont have that long to go until we find out... But right now, all data we have is showing the 360 has sold more units than the PS3 worldwide, lifetime to date. Until data is shown that proves otherwise (Not a thought from Tretton or a boast from Ballmer), then we can assume the 360 is still ahead.

2. You have a point there. There is no proof, just common sense. Its pretty obvious that the 360 has made more money than the PS3. Its been profiting since '08-09, it hasnt had an official sustained worldwide pricecut since then and its had Slim boosts/profits since '10 and over 24 Million Kinect's have been sold at pure, gigantic profit since 2010 also. Then you add on the 10's of Millions of Xbox Live Gold subscribers and it gets funny. Its quite clear to anyone really.

You also need to keep in mind, that the PS3 was still losing money after the Slim was released in late '09. Approximately ~$35 per console, down from the huge ~$250 loss per PS3 at launch. The PS3 started to make money during 2010, barely.

Btw, I found a good thread regarding 360 profits here on VGChartz. Its from back in 2010, so things will look a whole lot better for Xbox profit-wise now as both the 360 and Kinect will be cheaper per unit for MS to ppush out. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=119878

Hey, that's my thread! Oh wow, it's been so long since I was a really active member on here.

I can't believe I predicted pricecuts in 2011 way back then, and they STILL haven't happened. The profits of back then could have only gotten higher since then. Definitely is a testament to their profitability when the Xbox's Microsoft EDD division has posted profits while heavy R&D on the NextBox was going on.