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considering the variables, is ps3 more successful than 360?

Numbers are Numbers, 360 is doing better. 134 19.12%
 
Considering the variables... 512 73.04%
 
These Variables shouldn'... 26 3.71%
 
Other, please specify! 29 4.14%
 
Total:701
Serious_frusting on 25 March 2013

I replied to this thread after reading the first post only.

Now that i have read the rest of the posts i wish i never got involved in such crap. Honestly i stoped reading most of the posts i tried to read after the 2 sentences.

Also why does the thread tittle and the thread content lead the discussion in two completely different directions? My reply for the title would have been different to the reply i gave to the opening post



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bonkers555 on 26 March 2013
Tachikoma said:
tres said:
Tachikoma said:
tres said:
Pokeslob said:

here's some variable that popped into my head when reviewing lifetime sales of 360 and ps3.

1. the 360 has a lead of less than 2mil according to the chart on the homepage.

2. 360 had an entire year to sell systems without the ps3 rivalary

3. when someone's 360 broke, and they went ahead and bought a new one without trying to repair the first one, that counts as a new sale.

that last point there, as someone who works in the gaming industry, I do notice a lot of people doing that, instead of trying to fix it they just go ahead an buy a new one.

with those variables in mind, would you say that the ps3 is actually more successful than 360, or not?

explain why, I'm interested :)


whon whon whon well must we sing the same ol yada yada that based on non-sense?  did you count my couple ylod ps3s that padded sonys numbers? i got variables too

the world hates microsoft

japan support their own  -- where would xbox be if they sold just 10 percent of ps numbers in xenophobia?  20k vs 500 this week

xbox has been kinda sluggish game wish for 3 years

even with all that here we are still worrying about which of these 2 or doing better


Psst, where does the xbox sell best?


psst so you compare 60% to 99%  fuzy math


You fail to see the point, the consoles sell best in areas that specific consoles appeal to their respective markets.

America generally prefers FPS, COD and similar,

Japan prefers dating sims, anime, rpg and similar,

360 has very few games aimed at japanese gamers, and is mostly aimed at the western home market

ps3 has a much broader range and caters to both which is why the xbox doesnt decimate the ps3 in america like the ps3 decimates the xbox 360 in japan.

You insuinated that it was down purely to "japanese liking japanese system", when it's more about the games and how theyre suited to respective markets.

Exclusive games like Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Infinite Discovery, Last Remnant, Tales of Vespara etc. was there early on before the PS3 had anything and the Japaneses still not buying. Not like M$ is not trying, the Japanese don't buy MOST American products.



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Farsala on 26 March 2013
bonkers555 said:
Tachikoma said:
tres said:
Tachikoma said:
tres said:
Pokeslob said:

here's some variable that popped into my head when reviewing lifetime sales of 360 and ps3.

1. the 360 has a lead of less than 2mil according to the chart on the homepage.

2. 360 had an entire year to sell systems without the ps3 rivalary

3. when someone's 360 broke, and they went ahead and bought a new one without trying to repair the first one, that counts as a new sale.

that last point there, as someone who works in the gaming industry, I do notice a lot of people doing that, instead of trying to fix it they just go ahead an buy a new one.

with those variables in mind, would you say that the ps3 is actually more successful than 360, or not?

explain why, I'm interested :)


whon whon whon well must we sing the same ol yada yada that based on non-sense?  did you count my couple ylod ps3s that padded sonys numbers? i got variables too

the world hates microsoft

japan support their own  -- where would xbox be if they sold just 10 percent of ps numbers in xenophobia?  20k vs 500 this week

xbox has been kinda sluggish game wish for 3 years

even with all that here we are still worrying about which of these 2 or doing better


Psst, where does the xbox sell best?


psst so you compare 60% to 99%  fuzy math


You fail to see the point, the consoles sell best in areas that specific consoles appeal to their respective markets.

America generally prefers FPS, COD and similar,

Japan prefers dating sims, anime, rpg and similar,

360 has very few games aimed at japanese gamers, and is mostly aimed at the western home market

ps3 has a much broader range and caters to both which is why the xbox doesnt decimate the ps3 in america like the ps3 decimates the xbox 360 in japan.

You insuinated that it was down purely to "japanese liking japanese system", when it's more about the games and how theyre suited to respective markets.

Exclusive games like Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Infinite Discovery, Last Remnant, Tales of Vespara etc. was there early on before the PS3 had anything and the Japaneses still not buying. Not like M$ is not trying, the Japanese don't buy MOST American products.


While those 5 games certainly did help, most people probably knew that MS would not get all the games. FF at that time was announced PS3 exclusive. 4 of those games are new ips, and new ips in Japan do not do very well. If the 360 in Japan got the exact same support or better then the PS3 I could see it at half the sales of the PS3.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
The 360 is more successful.

Sold more.
Made more money.
Sold more software.
Increase in sales and marketshare over last generation.


So you're saying if Sony didnt have the extra year they wouldn't be ahead of Microsoft? They are competing for the same crowd with relatively 90% of the same games. If Sony had launched with the 360 with the sales they have now they would've been six to eight million ahead of Microsoft. 



Lawlight on 26 March 2013

Of course the PS3 is selling better. PS3 + PS2 sales were higher than 360 + Wii sales in 2012.



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DietSoap on 26 March 2013

Yes and no.

Yes, the PS3 apparently leads in total shipped now. Yes, it has been winning week to week for years now, and continues to gain on 360, making total number in customer hands an inevitable PS3 victory no matter how you slice it. And yes, the failure rate problem perhaps even means the PS3 has already long surpassed the 360 even in sales to actual consumers.

 But really, all of that is peanuts compared to the growth in market share Microsoft saw this generation, something I think very few of us even some as a POSSIBILITY 8 years ago.



J_Allard on 26 March 2013
Tachikoma said:
tres said:
Pokeslob said:

here's some variable that popped into my head when reviewing lifetime sales of 360 and ps3.

1. the 360 has a lead of less than 2mil according to the chart on the homepage.

2. 360 had an entire year to sell systems without the ps3 rivalary

3. when someone's 360 broke, and they went ahead and bought a new one without trying to repair the first one, that counts as a new sale.

that last point there, as someone who works in the gaming industry, I do notice a lot of people doing that, instead of trying to fix it they just go ahead an buy a new one.

with those variables in mind, would you say that the ps3 is actually more successful than 360, or not?

explain why, I'm interested :)


whon whon whon well must we sing the same ol yada yada that based on non-sense?  did you count my couple ylod ps3s that padded sonys numbers? i got variables too

the world hates microsoft

japan support their own  -- where would xbox be if they sold just 10 percent of ps numbers in xenophobia?  20k vs 500 this week

xbox has been kinda sluggish game wish for 3 years

even with all that here we are still worrying about which of these 2 or doing better


Psst, where does the xbox sell best?

Xbox might sell more in the US than it does anywhere else but please don't try to compare the two territories. While we give MS their best support here in the US, the Wii has still outsold it here this generation. And Sony chimes in with over 26,000,000 in PS3 sales. You compare that to Japan where Nintendo enjoys about an 800% sale rate over the 360 and Sony around a 600% rate and it's not even close. The guy is clearly referencing the way the Japanese culture just flat out refuses to support the Xbox.

The Japanese market is shrinking though. Sony won't enjoy that free space next gen. Or, at least, it won't be worth anywhere near 9-10 million next go around.



Carl on 26 March 2013
VGKing said:

People love to point out how unprofitable PS3 was and how it lost Sony billions, but the same can be said of Xbox 360.(but to a lesser extent)

No one can deny that the XBox 360 made more money than the PS3....it still doesn't change the fact that the console lost Microsoft billions of dollars just like the PS3 did for Sony. People seem to forget that the XBox 360 was also sold at a big loss then there was that RROD thing....

Kinect might have been profitable but those 24million weren't sold as stand-alone devices. Many of these were bundled and made little to no profit. Sure Xbox LIve Gold subscriptions have made Microsoft tons of money, there's no denying that....but they also have servers to maintain and with all the video services they've been adding lately, these costs have probably have increased exponentially since launch. The point is that despite all the profitable parts of the Xbox 360 business, overall they still lost money. 

Then there's all this "little stuff" that adds up such as the timed-exclusive deals. They paid $75million to make GTA IV a Day 1 multiplatform title + timed exlcusive DLC. Who knows how much they're paying Activsion for that timed-exclusive COD DLC. How much did they spend on those exclusive JRPGs?

Also there's also those billions of dollars Microsoft went through to introduce the first XBox. Microsoft bought their way into this business and they continued to do it with the Xbox 360. Has the Xbox business even broken even yet? No wonder they are chasing after entertainment apps and services over gaming. This business costs more than its worth. 

The bolded bits are the most important bits of your post, for what were talking about. Making more money or losing less money. Either way, its more successful as a product .  Especially when its held sustained profits.

And also because you brought the original Xbox into this... You forget to point outthat the true PS3 losses are hidden behind the PS2 and PSP profits from the same Years. The division had losses of 1.2 Billion and 2 Billion, if I remember correctly, while the PS2 was selling stupidly well and the PSP was hitting its stride. The 360 lost the same on one console that wasnt hidden behind 2 others.

The other bits are pointless, because all of them do it. All of them pay for exclusives. We just dont know how much each of them pay out for the deals...

S.T.A.G.E. said:


So you're saying if Sony didnt have the extra year they wouldn't be ahead of Microsoft? They are competing for the same crowd with relatively 90% of the same games. If Sony had launched with the 360 with the sales they have now they would've been six to eight million ahead of Microsoft. 

No, Im not saying that. Im not talking about "if". Im talking about right now. Not some alternate reality, S.T.A.G.E.



                            

yo_john117 on 26 March 2013

To answer your question: the 360 has been more successful than the PS3. It's pretty easy to see that.

Now that's not to say the the PS3 isn't successful because it is. Not compared to the PS2, mind you, but when you consider it's launch it is currently quite successful especially when you consider that it greatly aided Sony in winning the current disk-based format (Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD).

Also the replacement argument is ridiculous since all things considered it's probably a wash. And if you do really want to argue that a significant amount of 360's that have been sold are replacements remember that this would mean the 360 is by far a bigger core gaming machine since it's attach rate would be absolutely obscene compared to any other console (especially, ESPECIALLY when you factor in piracy). Basically, I'm saying in this instance that you can't have your cake and eat it to.

Also I have to note that whenever I hear people say stuff about a lot of consoles that they know have been replaced by buying new ones (either for the PS3 or the 360) I know that the vast majority of those instances are exaggerations at the least and blatant lying out of their asses at the most.

Now everyone needs to stop being silly over this conjecture (including me :P ) and play some Bioshock Infinite; it will make you a happier person.



Mazty on 26 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
The 360 is more successful.

Sold more.
Made more money.
Sold more software.
Increase in sales and marketshare over last generation.


Sold more? Not when you compare it to a week by week basis. Ignoring the year lead is arbitrary.

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load. We need to see net profit. 

Since when was software sold indicitive of how the console sold? Arbitrary rule.

Yes the increase in sales and marketshare is indeed positive for the 360, but hardly negative for the PS3...That's like saying because Bolt won the 100m sprint that's a victory for him and a loss for everyone else...