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Soriku said:
Possibly, but it won't be THE RPG console like the PS3 or Wii. But it oculd get some good RPGs...

...As long as they don't go to the Wii

Btw, why do people hate FF VIII so much? That's a really good game.

VIII or VII?  Eh, what's it matter.  I hate both.  I could rant on for pages about why I hate both.  At least VIII had a fun card game though.  



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naznatips said:
mrstickball said:
A few notes from me, in my opinion:

Why is the JRPG market decreasing? It's too stale. Ever look at the "amazing variation" in RPGs from Japan lately? Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and the other 5-10 series share too much in common. Because of the lack of evolution of the genre. Even though I love JRPGs, lets face it: the difference between Final Fantasy 5 and Final Fantasy 10 were graphical updates, and very little else. The same can be said from Dragon Quest 3 to Dragon Quest 8. The Japanese-style game is just too much the same for those outside the hardcore JRPG niche to really enjoy alot.

The WRPG market is vastly different - it's spearheaded by a plethora of incredibly varied titles over the years: Fallout. Ultima. Elder Scrolls. Baldurs Gate. Betrayl at. and recent hit new IPs such as Planetscape Torment, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic, and others that are insanely good, and vary much stronger over the years.

All of this is spearheaded by the most popular RPG to date (not FFVII) - World of Warcraft. And guess what? It's not just fat nerdy Americans playing WoW. It's fat, nerdy Chinese, Koreans and Europeans too!

The RPG market is changing, and faring much stronger toward the much-improved Western style of RPG gaming. It's more diverse, even if it is more action-oriented. The style of RPGs has evolved strongly from the dice-rolling D&D style RPG, and gathered many other styles into what is a Western RPG, kind of like the ball from Katamari Damacy.


You clearly don't play Final Fantasy, and the fact that you had never touched a JRPG until this gen is showing itself clearly stickball.

First, most Final Fantasy games are completely different. VI to VII was a jump from fantasy to steampunk, and XIII is jumping into sci-fi. Personally I consider this a bad thing, but moving on from that... they are hardly all alike. There are JRPGs accross just as many settings and styles as WRPGs. Look at Fragile for Wii. It's a post-apocolyptic empty world JRPG set in the future. Or horror RPGs about freaking suicide like the Persona series. Or how about Kingdom Hearts in the worlds of Disney.

And claiming diversity in Western RPGs is a joke. I love a lot of Western RPGs, but the style is painfully unchanging. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Diablo 1 and 2, Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind, Fable 1 and 2, and Oblivion all remake the same tired as hell medieval setting with little to no variety in artistic design. The only change to this was KOTOR, and what do ya know, they rip that off with Mass Effect. The few exceptions to the "All we can make is medieval settings" rule are games like Dues Ex and Too Human, which are only loosely even related to RPGs, and largely unappreciated by people who prefer to play repetitive crap like Oblivion.

PS: Not saying I dislike WRPGS (other than Bethesda games, which I hate), but they are certainly lacking in variety.


No offence Naz, I respect you as a mod but where you not the one who flipped out because someone said pokemon games where all the same?? Then you went on a rant about how each pokemon game thats come out is drastically different from the previous? Then now you say say all WRPG's are basically the same? 

Correct if i'm wrong cause the search option in the forum disappeared

 



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naznatips said:
Soriku said:
Possibly, but it won't be THE RPG console like the PS3 or Wii. But it oculd get some good RPGs...

...As long as they don't go to the Wii

Btw, why do people hate FF VIII so much? That's a really good game.

VIII or VII?  Eh, what's it matter.  I hate both.  I could rant on for pages about why I hate both.  At least VIII had a fun card game though.  


The only reason I played the game for as long as I did.

I loved that stupid card game. 




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ookaze said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH

 This thread is about RPG's, not just JRPG's



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If FF13 comes out in 2008 then i give the nod to PS3, but if it doesn't than 360 wins in a landslide. I have high hopes for White Knight, but thats not enough to stop Fable 2, Too Human, and Lost Odyssey.



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naznatips said:
gebx said:
@ Naz

360
- The Last Remnant oops
- Operation Darkness not an RPG
- Apocalypse: Desire Next k
- Far East of Eden Ziria k

and then add the WRPG's (It's an RPG thread, lets not discrimanate)

360
- Too Human
- Mass Effect
- Oblivion
- Fable 2
- Fallout 3
- Two Worlds

and finally why not add MMO RPG's ??
- Warhammer Online
- Age of Conan

As far as the WRPGs go, who's descriminating?  It simply makes no sense to discuss both forever.  They are barely related.


It seems like you're cherry picking if you wish to exclude rpgs simply because you don't feel they belong.  They are both related it's just that JRPGs tend to be more scripted and less open world.

 



gebx said:

No offence Naz, I respect you as a mod but where you not the one who flipped out because someone said pokemon games where all the same?? Then you went on a rant about how each pokemon game thats come out is drastically different from the previous? Then now you say say all WRPG's are basically the same?

Correct if i'm wrong cause the search option in the forum disappeared.


Well, 2 things.

First, I said Pokemon had changed a lot since the first game, and listed reasons why, not that there were actually major changes between each individual game.

Second, I'm not saying WRPGs are all the same. They have very different plots and gameplay. Just saying that they lack variety in other ways, for example art style and setting.

@Legend, I have no problems with having a discussion about WRPGs.  I just don't think they should be discussed as the same thing as JRPGs.    



Dallinor said:
dante said:
does anybody know what cry on really is yet
when will we see some details on this game

I'm not really sure, but Wikipedia describes it as a RPG based around the themes of sadness, tears and joy.

"Players will take control of main character Sally in this action adventure, working through scenarios designed to evoke an emotional response.

Cry On takes place in a world where people live amongst giant sand creatures. Sally is in the company of one of them, a creature named Bogle, and fights alongside it. Although normally tiny, Bogle can transform into a giant beast to fight. He'll do so when Sally is in danger. The game promises to give players the perspective not just of Sally, but of Bogle as well. The game will play out with portions from both characters' perspectives.

In a recent interview with Electronic Gaming Monthly; Sakaguchi stated that the goal of Cry On is to make players cry every 15 minutes"

I laughed at the last piece. You'll need a box of tissues while playing the game. =D

Goddamn this game could be awesome. It would certainly appease my inner crybaby if done properly.

 



how are western rpgs alike at all

i cant find any similarities between fable and mass effect

except that there both good games



dante said:
how are western rpgs alike at all

i cant find any similarities between fable and mass effect

except that there both good games


I never said Fable and Mass Effect were alike... I said Mass Effect and KOTOR were.  They are.  Mass Effect borrowed almost everything from Bioware's earlier work on KOTOR.  What Fable is like is Baldur's Gate, Might and Magic, Diablo, Neverwinter Nights, Oblivion, and Morrowind. 

I play a lot of RPGs, both Western and Japanese.  It doesn't make these games bad, but their settings, art, and to a slightly lesser extent their stories are derivative.  Maybe you are just too young to have played enough of these games to see this.  I don't really know, but I have experienced more diversity in gameplay, setting, art, and plot in Japanese RPGs than in Western RPGs.  Again, this doesn't make them inherintly better.  Just means they have more variety.