I'd like to live in your world, and I really don't understand why more people don't want the same. For all the moaning everyone does about lobbyists and special interest groups and bought and paid for politicians, they'd rather continue trying to piss in each other's Cheerios ("No abortions for you!" "Oh yeah?! You're paying for my abortion!") than to fix the problem by shifting power away from DC to the local level. I think at this point a lot of people are addicted to the culture wars, and they get off on needling the other side more than they would by just living their own lives and letting others live theirs.

Just out of curiousity, how much of the actual federal budget goes helping out "poor people"? I'd bet its actually probably not all that much of the actual pie. They're an easy target obviously. 

I also read something that showed in actuality the US debt has risen with every administration going back to the start of the 20th century.

The truth is there isn't any crazy rush to do anything about because who is going to allow the US to "fail"? China? LOL. The US is the text book definition of "too big to fail", the global economy could never allow the US market to fail as such I honestly don't think it's debt really means all that much. There is no global economy without the US. Period.

That's not a statement rooted as bragging, but more of a practical fact (for better or worse).

Most of the Christian right separate what they are called to do from what the government is to do for them. I'm sure they'll continue to give more to charities, spend more time volunteering, and all of the other statistics that just show how "evil and oppresive" they are.

Good luck neighbors down south.

most of?  did you poll every last person on the right that say they are christians?

so im not sure you believe that yourself.  while the conservative media was raising village idiots against the government that "liberal" media was raising money for free health clinics that im sure alot of conservatives in those areas took advantage of.

and besides i'm not talking about everyday so called conservatives.  im speaking of the idiotic morally bankrupt shills we have in congress.

who is the "us" that need saving from obama?  and from what do we need saving from?  i thought "christians" were saved already?   

I'm just speaking from anecdotes. Of course I don't have a scientific poll of the personal beliefs, but I do know the doctrine is for the church to faciltate the efforts to help the poor and needy.

The "us" that need saving was a joke from Puggsly, but it's not an uncommon opinion to have. A lot of people do not like what he's done and what he's doing. Saving people from him the outcome of what he's trying to do is completely different and totally irrelevant from the spiritual salvation that Christian have, ie. the 'saved already' part.

im still trying to figure out the what hes done part that we need saving from.  this has been the right wing mantra since day one.  theres a reason why the left often get p!ssed at the potus.  reality doesnt fit with the rightwing  bizarro world.  the damn guy is a conservative.  if it was clarence thomas saying and proposing the same stuff all of it would have pass.

Isn't the fact that Obama is essentially George W. Bush in the worst ways reason enough?  When you have John McCain and Lindsy Graham backing you on the war on terror you know you took a wrong turn somehwere.

Also uh for future refrence... using Clarence Thomas as your example is kinda racist...

I mean, why'd you have to go out of your way to pick a black conservative. (and not even Colin Powell at that).  It makes it sound like you think race matters.

That might be part of it... but consider Occupy Wallstreet whose main message was "Lobbiests have too much power and are buying officials off.  Give officials more power so they won't be bought off! "

I think a lot of people just don't understand how to stop corruption.

It'd take a fairly complex breakdown... however i'd guess  you were wrong just on the face of it.

A lot of Social Security, and Medicare go to the poor... all of Medicaid, and Chip does, and "Saftey Net" programs mostly/to all do as well depending on your definition of poor whether it be assets or income.

Defense has grown in 2012 it's worth noting, used that graphic though because it actually breaks things down a bit more... otherwise stuff happens like Medicaid and CHIP getting put in healthcare when it's also welfare.  Still missing some other stuff like pell grants.  Housing stuff etc, but they're smaller so...

Not that it matters whether it's a lot or a little.  Just wish it would be spent smarter... a lot of how we do welfare is just... uneven, not effective and often counterproductive.

Like how foodstamps can be used to buy anything from Soda and Candy Bars (clearly not healthy and shouldn't be allowed) to Lobster and prime choice steak. (Which is then usually sold for a discounted price for money to be used for other stuff.)