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Zero999 on 19 August 2013
the-pi-guy said:
Aldro said:


Sony knows how to make consoles and they are going to have their best developers on it, unlike the Vita.  

if they didn't have their best developers on their own console, it means they may know how to MAKE a console, but not how to support one.



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scottie on 19 August 2013

Well, it doesn't have to compete with the 3DS.

When deciding whether to make a portable console, use this handy quiz,

Will my portable have pokemons??

Yes: Make the damn portable, it'll do great.
No: Abort.



Daisuke72 on 19 August 2013
scottie said:
Well, it doesn't have to compete with the 3DS.

When deciding whether to make a portable console, use this handy quiz,

Will my portable have pokemons??

Yes: Make the damn portable, it'll do great.
No: Abort.

/thread



S.T.A.G.E. on 20 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:

Didnt even read the comments so im probably repeating most people.

3rd party support and a bigger fanbase.

Roughly 80% of the games sold on the Ps3 has been 3rd party. People want to act like 1st party is important and they are because they are differences in the competitors. But 3rd party support will be bigger from a software point for numerous reason.

If you are soley going to rely on 1st party games then you would need a steady flow which sony is not capable of.

Also remember the high price point compared to competition and that Nintendo is much more popular in the handheld market than sony.  PSP didnt help Sony's reputation much in major territories like Europe and America.


What are you talking about? Sony has the steadiest flow of first party ouf of all the companies has its been so for like four years now. The problem is are those titles big? If thats what you're hung up on theres the problem. Some are big others are new IP's that need time to grow. Hopefully this gen as Sony has a higher chance of amassing a larger marketshare since they are launching with Microsoft instead of behind them they will be conscious of all crowd applicable to them. Out of all the companies they have the natural door open to them for audiences. They have Japan where Microsoft cant touch them and they have the third parties and higher rate of new IP's where Nintendo cannot touch them. The problem is they are spread so thin (which they said they would rectify this coming gen) so they can focus giving proper marketing and development time to certain prefered titles. This leads me to believe that much like Microsoft for Sony money will talk, but it wont stop them from making more full blown titles either.



Jaywood2010 on 20 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:

Didnt even read the comments so im probably repeating most people.

3rd party support and a bigger fanbase.

Roughly 80% of the games sold on the Ps3 has been 3rd party. People want to act like 1st party is important and they are because they are differences in the competitors. But 3rd party support will be bigger from a software point for numerous reason.

If you are soley going to rely on 1st party games then you would need a steady flow which sony is not capable of.

Also remember the high price point compared to competition and that Nintendo is much more popular in the handheld market than sony.  PSP didnt help Sony's reputation much in major territories like Europe and America.


What are you talking about? Sony has the steadiest flow of first party ouf of all the companies has its been so for like four years now. The problem is are those titles big? If thats what you're hung up on theres the problem. Some are big others are new IP's that need time to grow. Hopefully this gen as Sony has a higher chance of amassing a larger marketshare since they are launching with Microsoft instead of behind them they will be conscious of all crowd applicable to them. Out of all the companies they have the natural door open to them for audiences. They have Japan where Microsoft cant touch them and they have the third parties and higher rate of new IP's where Nintendo cannot touch them. The problem is they are spread so thin (which they said they would rectify this coming gen) so they can focus giving proper marketing and development time to certain prefered titles. This leads me to believe that much like Microsoft for Sony money will talk, but it wont stop them from making more full blown titles either.

Oh boy lol  I was talking about the Vita's/PSP's First party games not their home consoles ;)




       

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Metallicube on 20 August 2013
zumnupy10 said:
It's a combination of Good pricing + Good will of consumers + 3rd and 1st Party support.

O_o

Didn't realize buying Sony products made you a good person.. Guess I'm a dick then :(



S.T.A.G.E. on 20 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:

Didnt even read the comments so im probably repeating most people.

3rd party support and a bigger fanbase.

Roughly 80% of the games sold on the Ps3 has been 3rd party. People want to act like 1st party is important and they are because they are differences in the competitors. But 3rd party support will be bigger from a software point for numerous reason.

If you are soley going to rely on 1st party games then you would need a steady flow which sony is not capable of.

Also remember the high price point compared to competition and that Nintendo is much more popular in the handheld market than sony.  PSP didnt help Sony's reputation much in major territories like Europe and America.


What are you talking about? Sony has the steadiest flow of first party ouf of all the companies has its been so for like four years now. The problem is are those titles big? If thats what you're hung up on theres the problem. Some are big others are new IP's that need time to grow. Hopefully this gen as Sony has a higher chance of amassing a larger marketshare since they are launching with Microsoft instead of behind them they will be conscious of all crowd applicable to them. Out of all the companies they have the natural door open to them for audiences. They have Japan where Microsoft cant touch them and they have the third parties and higher rate of new IP's where Nintendo cannot touch them. The problem is they are spread so thin (which they said they would rectify this coming gen) so they can focus giving proper marketing and development time to certain prefered titles. This leads me to believe that much like Microsoft for Sony money will talk, but it wont stop them from making more full blown titles either.

Oh boy lol  I was talking about the Vita's/PSP's First party games not their home consoles ;)


Oh. Both the first party and third party are low. You can only prompt third parties to come to you through sales of the portable and they've given them no incentive. Using games that are playable on the PS4 and Vita simultaneously will not bring new life into the vita, it will only strangle it and remind it two fold of what a neglected, bastard step-child it was and that the PS3 never loved it. People would rather give it the golden shower than shower it with love.



Jaywood2010 on 20 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Oh boy lol  I was talking about the Vita's/PSP's First party games not their home consoles ;)


Oh. Both the first party and third party are low. You can only prompt third parties to come to you through sales of the portable and they've given them no incentive. Using games that are playable on the PS4 and Vita simultaneously will not bring new life into the vita, it will only strangle it and remind it two fold of what a neglected, bastard step-child it was and that the PS3 never loved it. People would rather give it the golden shower than shower it with love.

What I was trying to say is that Sony heavily relies on third party support (even on PS3) but unlike the PS3 the PSV/PSP has not had a steady flow of 1st party games.  

But yes I agree.  PS3 from 2009-2013 has had the biggest flow of 1st party games for the core gamers.




       

the2real4mafol on 20 August 2013

It's guaranteed good 3rd party support and the price will help it massively over the X1.



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Mensrea on 20 August 2013

Vita is not a platform third parties needed really. PS4 and X1 are the consoles that they need in order to continue to make money. They will make sure it succeeds with tons of support.