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Kazus on 02 March 2013

*opens thread*

“an employee for a studio that makes games for Activision”

*leaves thread*



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Galaki on 02 March 2013

Anonymous sources sure make great ammunition.



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Mad55 on 02 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
The LEGO Action Platformers sell good on Nintendo.

CoD3 on Wii significantly outsold the PS3 version iirc. Activision not releasing MW on Wii held the systems FPS potential back.

Star Wars and Resident Evil games have always done well with Nintendo.

With the Wii, the simple problem wasnt that 3rd party games didnt sell well. It was that 3rd parties barely put any effort into the console for those games to sell well... They werent given the chance.

RE4 Wii Edition sold over 2 Million units, proving that the audience was there for a survival horror game. Instead of a RE5 port though, Wii got on-rails FPS. Those games even sold well, but no RE5. Oh, dont forget DS: Extraction, too.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl has sold over 10 Million units, proving that there is an audience for fighters - No Street Fighter, no Tekken, no DoA, no MK, no Soul Calibur, etc.

3rd parties instead used the Wii as a profit machine to fund the big HD games. With no cheap, casual console this generation I think we will see a lot of developers go the way of THQ.

So many good points.



Kazus on 02 March 2013
Galaki said:
Anonymous sources sure make great ammunition.

An anonymous source has somehow created all kinds of meltdown in this thread.



S.T.A.G.E. on 02 March 2013
Darc Requiem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
If third parties want sales on Nintendo platforms they are going to have to commit. They've conditioned millions of Nintendo console owners over the past 17 years to think that third party games are crap with shoddy releases. That attitude won't change overnight. They had a golden opportunity to make inroads last generation with the Wii and they failed miserably.

A mistake I constantly see on forums is the assumption that most gamers are informed. Gamers that frequent forums are in the minority. Most gamers don't frequent forums. Nor do they follow the industry via the internet with baited breath. People need to step back and realize this.


Not true. Gamers followed third parties to the consoles that support third parties. Third parties did not have a golden opportunity, especially when 95% of the people who own your consoles are casuals. Western companies outside of Blizzard dont have much pull with the Japanese  and the sales will show on the Wii. Core titles sold not even ok in proportion to how much the console sold. There were some great JRPG's and core titles too.


I disagree. It's been nearly two decades since a Nintendo home console had full third party support. There is an entire generation of gamers that weren't even born since you could buy a Nintendo home console with top notch support. That's literally a generation of gamers that cannot grasp the concept of a Nintendo home console with full third support because they've never seen it.


Which gen since the SNES has Nintendo ever followed suit with devs on specs?

N64 Era= Refused to make the jump to CD's and was overlooked by devs because competent competition arrived and they were free to expand their games.

Gamecube Era= Refused to make the jump to DVD's which could hold 8GB of information and stuck with minidisc that could hold a fraction of it. Technically the console was capable of better graphics but lacked the space needed to make the bigger and better games that devs pushing the console wanted to make. That and it was clear there was no love lost from how Nintendo dealt with third parties during the SNES and they realized Sony and now their new relationship with Nintendo was freer for them to create their own games.

Wii= Made a severely underpowered console that gave devs far less power and forced devs to use Nintendos short lived gimmick rather than making what they felt was right for the console. Some tried to make a good game and failed, few succeeded in trying to make a good game with the Wii and the rest played it smart and went for the cash grab once they realized it was gimmick.

Wii U= Nintendos first true attempt to win back the core gamers and they came a gen late in terms of tech. The media told Reggie about rumors of the other consoles having higher specs and what did Reggie say? "Lets wait and see" and game over again for Nintendo.

No one is to blame but Nintendo for the lack of third party interest of their console for nearly 20 years.

Nintendo gamers have to pay the piper if they refuse to pay for the COD game though. It was there and still sold dismally.



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hsrob on 02 March 2013

All this for a rumour.



curl-6 on 02 March 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
If third parties want sales on Nintendo platforms they are going to have to commit. They've conditioned millions of Nintendo console owners over the past 17 years to think that third party games are crap with shoddy releases. That attitude won't change overnight. They had a golden opportunity to make inroads last generation with the Wii and they failed miserably.

A mistake I constantly see on forums is the assumption that most gamers are informed. Gamers that frequent forums are in the minority. Most gamers don't frequent forums. Nor do they follow the industry via the internet with baited breath. People need to step back and realize this.


Not true. Gamers followed third parties to the consoles that support third parties. Third parties did not have a golden opportunity, especially when 95% of the people who own your consoles are casuals. Western companies outside of Blizzard dont have much pull with the Japanese  and the sales will show on the Wii. Core titles sold not even ok in proportion to how much the console sold. There were some great JRPG's and core titles too.


I disagree. It's been nearly two decades since a Nintendo home console had full third party support. There is an entire generation of gamers that weren't even born since you could buy a Nintendo home console with top notch support. That's literally a generation of gamers that cannot grasp the concept of a Nintendo home console with full third support because they've never seen it.


Which gen since the SNES has Nintendo ever followed suit with devs on specs?

N64 Era= Refused to make the jump to CD's and was overlooked by devs because competent competition arrived and they were free to expand their games.

Gamecube Era= Refused to make the jump to DVD's which could hold 8GB of information and stuck with minidisc that could hold a fraction of it. Technically the console was capable of better graphics but lacked the space needed to make the bigger and better games that devs pushing the console wanted to make. That and it was clear there was no love lost from how Nintendo dealt with third parties during the SNES and they realized Sony and now their new relationship with Nintendo was freer for them to create their own games.

Wii= Made a severely underpowered console that gave devs far less power and forced devs to use Nintendos short lived gimmick rather than making what they felt was right for the console. Some tried to make a good game and failed, few succeeded in trying to make a good game with the Wii and the rest played it smart and went for the cash grab once they realized it was gimmick.

Wii U= Nintendos first true attempt to win back the core gamers and they came a gen late in terms of tech. The media told Reggie about rumors of the other consoles having higher specs and what did Reggie say? "Lets wait and see" and game over again for Nintendo.

No one is to blame but Nintendo for the lack of third party interest of their console for nearly 20 years.

Nintendo gamers have to pay the piper if they refuse to pay for the COD game though. It was there and still sold dismally.

Third parties still supported the PS3 with its notoriously developer-unfriendly architecture,proving that with proper investment you can build an ecosystem in spite of hardware obstacles. Now if studios have put similar efforts into building an ecosystem on Wii, things would have been very different for both that console and Wii U. But no, they gave Wii gamers rail shooters instead of proper Resident Evil/Dead Space games.

People aren't just going to forget a whole generation of learned aversion; third parties have to show that they're not going to do the same thing this time.



the_dengle on 02 March 2013
Dodece said:
the_dengle said:
Dodece said:
[Wii U could sell 14 million units]

Hahahahahahaha. Sorry, couldn't make it past that part.

What an elegant proof of my point. Just remember that pride commeth before the fall.

Your logic is simply too basic. It takes no actual factors into account, simply applying some old pattern you saw to a new situation and spitting out a number. Sony went from 150 mil with PS2 to 75 mil with PS3 -- their next console will be a 50% drop, too! PS4 will sell under 40 million. Microsoft went from 25 million to 75 million, tripling their sales. Next XBox will sell 225 million, right???



oniyide on 02 March 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
If third parties want sales on Nintendo platforms they are going to have to commit. They've conditioned millions of Nintendo console owners over the past 17 years to think that third party games are crap with shoddy releases. That attitude won't change overnight. They had a golden opportunity to make inroads last generation with the Wii and they failed miserably.

A mistake I constantly see on forums is the assumption that most gamers are informed. Gamers that frequent forums are in the minority. Most gamers don't frequent forums. Nor do they follow the industry via the internet with baited breath. People need to step back and realize this.


Not true. Gamers followed third parties to the consoles that support third parties. Third parties did not have a golden opportunity, especially when 95% of the people who own your consoles are casuals. Western companies outside of Blizzard dont have much pull with the Japanese  and the sales will show on the Wii. Core titles sold not even ok in proportion to how much the console sold. There were some great JRPG's and core titles too.


I disagree. It's been nearly two decades since a Nintendo home console had full third party support. There is an entire generation of gamers that weren't even born since you could buy a Nintendo home console with top notch support. That's literally a generation of gamers that cannot grasp the concept of a Nintendo home console with full third support because they've never seen it.


Which gen since the SNES has Nintendo ever followed suit with devs on specs?

N64 Era= Refused to make the jump to CD's and was overlooked by devs because competent competition arrived and they were free to expand their games.

Gamecube Era= Refused to make the jump to DVD's which could hold 8GB of information and stuck with minidisc that could hold a fraction of it. Technically the console was capable of better graphics but lacked the space needed to make the bigger and better games that devs pushing the console wanted to make. That and it was clear there was no love lost from how Nintendo dealt with third parties during the SNES and they realized Sony and now their new relationship with Nintendo was freer for them to create their own games.

Wii= Made a severely underpowered console that gave devs far less power and forced devs to use Nintendos short lived gimmick rather than making what they felt was right for the console. Some tried to make a good game and failed, few succeeded in trying to make a good game with the Wii and the rest played it smart and went for the cash grab once they realized it was gimmick.

Wii U= Nintendos first true attempt to win back the core gamers and they came a gen late in terms of tech. The media told Reggie about rumors of the other consoles having higher specs and what did Reggie say? "Lets wait and see" and game over again for Nintendo.

No one is to blame but Nintendo for the lack of third party interest of their console for nearly 20 years.

Nintendo gamers have to pay the piper if they refuse to pay for the COD game though. It was there and still sold dismally.

Third parties still supported the PS3 with its notoriously developer-unfriendly architecture,proving that with proper investment you can build an ecosystem in spite of hardware obstacles. Now if studios have put similar efforts into building an ecosystem on Wii, things would have been very different for both that console and Wii U. But no, they gave Wii gamers rail shooters instead of proper Resident Evil/Dead Space games.

People aren't just going to forget a whole generation of learned aversion; third parties have to show that they're not going to do the same thing this time.

yes, but why SOny? what was it about the PS3 that it still got support that the Wii didnt? And no its not that they love Sony and hate Ninty. Sony put in clear effort to get support for their system.



S.T.A.G.E. on 02 March 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
If third parties want sales on Nintendo platforms they are going to have to commit. They've conditioned millions of Nintendo console owners over the past 17 years to think that third party games are crap with shoddy releases. That attitude won't change overnight. They had a golden opportunity to make inroads last generation with the Wii and they failed miserably.

A mistake I constantly see on forums is the assumption that most gamers are informed. Gamers that frequent forums are in the minority. Most gamers don't frequent forums. Nor do they follow the industry via the internet with baited breath. People need to step back and realize this.


Not true. Gamers followed third parties to the consoles that support third parties. Third parties did not have a golden opportunity, especially when 95% of the people who own your consoles are casuals. Western companies outside of Blizzard dont have much pull with the Japanese  and the sales will show on the Wii. Core titles sold not even ok in proportion to how much the console sold. There were some great JRPG's and core titles too.


I disagree. It's been nearly two decades since a Nintendo home console had full third party support. There is an entire generation of gamers that weren't even born since you could buy a Nintendo home console with top notch support. That's literally a generation of gamers that cannot grasp the concept of a Nintendo home console with full third support because they've never seen it.


Which gen since the SNES has Nintendo ever followed suit with devs on specs?

N64 Era= Refused to make the jump to CD's and was overlooked by devs because competent competition arrived and they were free to expand their games.

Gamecube Era= Refused to make the jump to DVD's which could hold 8GB of information and stuck with minidisc that could hold a fraction of it. Technically the console was capable of better graphics but lacked the space needed to make the bigger and better games that devs pushing the console wanted to make. That and it was clear there was no love lost from how Nintendo dealt with third parties during the SNES and they realized Sony and now their new relationship with Nintendo was freer for them to create their own games.

Wii= Made a severely underpowered console that gave devs far less power and forced devs to use Nintendos short lived gimmick rather than making what they felt was right for the console. Some tried to make a good game and failed, few succeeded in trying to make a good game with the Wii and the rest played it smart and went for the cash grab once they realized it was gimmick.

Wii U= Nintendos first true attempt to win back the core gamers and they came a gen late in terms of tech. The media told Reggie about rumors of the other consoles having higher specs and what did Reggie say? "Lets wait and see" and game over again for Nintendo.

No one is to blame but Nintendo for the lack of third party interest of their console for nearly 20 years.

Nintendo gamers have to pay the piper if they refuse to pay for the COD game though. It was there and still sold dismally.

Third parties still supported the PS3 with its notoriously developer-unfriendly architecture,proving that with proper investment you can build an ecosystem in spite of hardware obstacles. Now if studios have put similar efforts into building an ecosystem on Wii, things would have been very different for both that console and Wii U. But no, they gave Wii gamers rail shooters instead of proper Resident Evil/Dead Space games.

People aren't just going to forget a whole generation of learned aversion; third parties have to show that they're not going to do the same thing this time.


Sony still had a wayyyyyy better relationship with third parties than Nintendo ever had with the PS3, which is why their longevity stayed on par with the Xbox even though they put out more first party than any of the competition. You did pay attention to the conference correct? Sony literally appologized and created the first ever western made Playstation not made by Ken Kutaragi. This Playstation will have a western twist while enjoying the best of the east and west in games. Thats like a match made in heaven...think about it. Why should developers go out of their way to make things for Nintendo when Nintendo should be preparing specs for their collective imaginations rather than just their own selfish family oriented desires? Why not something where everyone wins? Can you truly answer that? As for the PS3 getting dev support spite the issues, it basically sold on par with the Xbox throughout in multiplats especially as the years went by.