curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Darc Requiem said:
If third parties want sales on Nintendo platforms they are going to have to commit. They've conditioned millions of Nintendo console owners over the past 17 years to think that third party games are crap with shoddy releases. That attitude won't change overnight. They had a golden opportunity to make inroads last generation with the Wii and they failed miserably.
A mistake I constantly see on forums is the assumption that most gamers are informed. Gamers that frequent forums are in the minority. Most gamers don't frequent forums. Nor do they follow the industry via the internet with baited breath. People need to step back and realize this. |
Not true. Gamers followed third parties to the consoles that support third parties. Third parties did not have a golden opportunity, especially when 95% of the people who own your consoles are casuals. Western companies outside of Blizzard dont have much pull with the Japanese and the sales will show on the Wii. Core titles sold not even ok in proportion to how much the console sold. There were some great JRPG's and core titles too.
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I disagree. It's been nearly two decades since a Nintendo home console had full third party support. There is an entire generation of gamers that weren't even born since you could buy a Nintendo home console with top notch support. That's literally a generation of gamers that cannot grasp the concept of a Nintendo home console with full third support because they've never seen it.
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Which gen since the SNES has Nintendo ever followed suit with devs on specs?
N64 Era= Refused to make the jump to CD's and was overlooked by devs because competent competition arrived and they were free to expand their games.
Gamecube Era= Refused to make the jump to DVD's which could hold 8GB of information and stuck with minidisc that could hold a fraction of it. Technically the console was capable of better graphics but lacked the space needed to make the bigger and better games that devs pushing the console wanted to make. That and it was clear there was no love lost from how Nintendo dealt with third parties during the SNES and they realized Sony and now their new relationship with Nintendo was freer for them to create their own games.
Wii= Made a severely underpowered console that gave devs far less power and forced devs to use Nintendos short lived gimmick rather than making what they felt was right for the console. Some tried to make a good game and failed, few succeeded in trying to make a good game with the Wii and the rest played it smart and went for the cash grab once they realized it was gimmick.
Wii U= Nintendos first true attempt to win back the core gamers and they came a gen late in terms of tech. The media told Reggie about rumors of the other consoles having higher specs and what did Reggie say? "Lets wait and see" and game over again for Nintendo.
No one is to blame but Nintendo for the lack of third party interest of their console for nearly 20 years.
Nintendo gamers have to pay the piper if they refuse to pay for the COD game though. It was there and still sold dismally.
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Third parties still supported the PS3 with its notoriously developer-unfriendly architecture,proving that with proper investment you can build an ecosystem in spite of hardware obstacles. Now if studios have put similar efforts into building an ecosystem on Wii, things would have been very different for both that console and Wii U. But no, they gave Wii gamers rail shooters instead of proper Resident Evil/Dead Space games.
People aren't just going to forget a whole generation of learned aversion; third parties have to show that they're not going to do the same thing this time.
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yes, but why SOny? what was it about the PS3 that it still got support that the Wii didnt? And no its not that they love Sony and hate Ninty. Sony put in clear effort to get support for their system.
