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Deyon on 13 February 2013
Immortal said:

This part is factually wrong. I don't give a damn about the rest of the argument, but admit that it was moronic to say this.

NSMB games play differently from 3D Mario games play differently from Mario Kart games play differently from Paper Mario and so forth. There is no excess of games with the same gameplay; only 2 2D Marios per generation and only one on each platform, for example. This is a hell lot better than, say, Sony IPs.

You were wrong for this part. Outright factually wrong. Don't care whether or not he's actually milked, but I'd rather you admit that you got this wrong.

Every NSMB is the same (Very little changes), every mario kart is the same. and those 2 are the most important.

Do you expect me to keep paying $60 to jump on a gomba's head and save the princess a million times?



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MDMAlliance on 13 February 2013
VGKing said:
MDMAlliance said:

LittleBigPlanet can be placed as a last gen game, you know.  I don't really know much about the others.  I also looked up Heavy Rain and it seems like it's owned by a second party developer, but I mean that probably still counts but then you can add a good few others to Nintendo's list this way too.  

You're obviously biased and don't want to admit that you're wrong.  

Of course I'm biased, as so are you. 

And no, I'm not wrong. 1st party is extremely important for a Nintendo console especially considering how they lack 3rd party support.

All those games I listed are major PS3 exclusives.


You're heavily biased in that you're letting it blind you.  You're saying you're not wrong, but the thing you're saying you're not wrong about is completely off topic and was nothing about what I said.  You were saying how Nintendo has no new IP's, then changed it to none that anybody cares about.  

I never said anything about whether or not 1st party games were important or not, and Nintendo is regaining 3rd party support this gen, as you can see with games like Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, a good chunk of Ubisoft games, and rumors of others.  

Also, since when was PSASBR a major PS3 exclusive?



Vinniegambini on 13 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Vinniegambini said:
Deyon said:

Nintendo and Sony are different.

When Sony publishes a game by a 2nd/3rd party developer THEY HOLD the rights to that game. Thats how they do business.

When Nintendo publishes a game by a 2nd/3rd party developer THEY DO NOT hold the rights to that game/franchise. Bayonetta is not owned by Nintendo, Sega still holds the rights to it.

LittleBigPlanet came out in 2008 on the PS3, that makes it a new ip.

Your ignorance and devotion to Sony has blinded you.

For example, White Knight Chronicles was developped exclusively for the PS3, published by Sony Computer Entertainment but the rights belong to Level 5, the developpers.

Crash and Spyro were published by Sony Computer Entertainment in their early beginings. I don't see them exclusively on Sony platforms or Sony to have exclusive rights on the franchise.

Please refrain to using such baseless arguments

Actually, White Knight Chronicles is a trademark of SCEA. Even says it on the back of the box:

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/box/6/8/4/935684_96330_back.jpg

The point about Crash and Spyro are right nonetheless.

However, I am positive I read that Level 5 owns the right for the franchise and not SCEA. I'm going to have to do some digging to get that quote on my end. Thanks for pointing it out, I appreciate it.



MDMAlliance on 13 February 2013
Deyon said:
MDMAlliance said:


If every game published by a company will be considered an IP for that company, Nintendo's IP list increases as well.  So I guess Bayonetta is now a Nintendo IP because it's being published by Nintendo?  

Also, LittleBigPlanet released on the PSP, and the Vita has been out for over a year now (at least in Japan, getting there globally).  It definitely qualifies as a last-gen IP.

Nintendo and Sony are different.

When Sony publishes a game by a 2nd/3rd party developer THEY HOLD the rights to that game. Thats how they do business.

When Nintendo publishes a game by a 2nd/3rd party developer THEY DO NOT hold the rights to that game/franchise. Bayonetta is not owned by Nintendo, Sega still holds the rights to it.

LittleBigPlanet came out in 2008 on the PS3, that makes it a new ip.


#1: Yes, Nintendo and Sony are different.  What do you mean by that?  

#2: If that were true, then I don't see why 3rd party developers would want to develop for Sony.

#3: So since Gamefreak is 2nd party, are you implying that Pokemon isn't owned by Nintendo?

#4: http://www.amazon.com/LittleBigPlanet-Sony-PSP/dp/B001TOQ8T8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360797954&sr=8-1&keywords=Little+Big+Planet+PSP
 PSP version, AKA last gen.  If you want to argue that it's curent gen, we should include every new IP for the DS Nintendo made and consider them all current gen.  Truth is, a generation has indeed been passed for Sony's handheld department, and LBP was indeed made for the PSP, a last gen handheld console.  By definition, that would make LBP a last-gen IP.



Immortal on 13 February 2013
Deyon said:

Every NSMB is the same (Very little changes), every mario kart is the same. and those 2 are the most important.

Do you expect me to keep paying $60 to jump on a gomba's head and save the princess a million times?


I actually disagree, but that's completely irrelevant. I told you, I'm not arguing that Mario isn't milked; I'm just pointing out that the one statement I bolded there was just plain wrong.

Suppose I agree that all NSMBs are the same. What you said was that the majority of Mario games have the same gameplay. This is incorrect. Two Mario games in one generation have the same gameplay. That is far from the majority. Therefore, that statement was wrong. Just admit it.



 

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VGKing on 13 February 2013
RolStoppable said:
VGKing said:

Nathan Drake, Kratos, Cole McGrath, Sackboy..etc. 3 of these characters and IP were created this gen. Any notable new characters Nintendo has created recently?

In fact there's a new Sony IP/Character coming in a few months. Joel from The Last of Us. This is at the end of PS3's lifecycle. Sony and new IP go together like peanut butter and jelly.

List of new IP Sony has created this gen
-Uncharted
-The Last of Us
-LittleBigPlanet
-Playstation All-Stars
-Heavy Rain
-Beyond: Two Souls
-The Last Guardian
-inFamous
-Modnation Racers
-Motorstorm

I could go on and list a couple more but these are the most releavnt ones I could think of. 

Nintendo has created Mopsie, Feisthörnchen and Kahlrösser, so yes.

That's a rather pitiful list of IPs you have there. Quite a few of those are bordering on irrelevance and one of them is vaporware. Uncharted and The Last of Us don't count.

Never heard of any of those games. And no, the IP I listed are not "pitiful" these are major PS3 exclusives.



Vinniegambini on 13 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Vinniegambini said:
CGI-Quality said:

Actually, White Knight Chronicles is a trademark of SCEA. Even says it on the back of the box:

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/box/6/8/4/935684_96330_back.jpg

The point about Crash and Spyro are right nonetheless.

However, I am positive I read that Level 5 owns the right for the franchise and not SCEA. I'm going to have to do some digging to get that quote on my end. Thanks for pointing it out, I appreciate it.

Yeah, can't speak for the rest of y'all's argument, but I just knew WKC was Sony's. They usually pick up the IPs they publish, of late - outside of Heavy Rain. :)

Crash and Spyro were published by Sony previously but Sony never had the rights to these franchises. That's the point I was making as he claimed every SCEA game published, they own the IP's which is false.

I'm positive that I read that Level 5 owns the right to White Knight Chronicles franchise, much like Blue Dragon being Mistwalker's IP though appearing on Xbox 360 exclusively, then on DS later on.



Deyon on 13 February 2013
Vinniegambini said:

Your ignorance and devotion to Sony has blinded you.

For example, White Knight Chronicles was developped exclusively for the PS3, published by Sony Computer Entertainment but the rights belong to Level 5, the developpers.

Crash and Spyro were published by Sony Computer Entertainment in their early beginings. I don't see them exclusively on Sony platforms or Sony to have exclusive rights on the franchise.

Please refrain to using such baseless arguments

That's totall bullcrap, i'm not talking out of my ass or anything thats what i know, if you don't want to believe me than don't.

At that time Sony didn't care about holding the rights to the games they publish they just started doing that 6-12 years ago .

Instead of calling me a liar why don't you go do a little research on Sony than come back.

And the last time i checked White Knight Chronicles is still a PlayStation exclusive.



Player2 on 13 February 2013
VGKing said:
RolStoppable said:
VGKing said:

Nathan Drake, Kratos, Cole McGrath, Sackboy..etc. 3 of these characters and IP were created this gen. Any notable new characters Nintendo has created recently?

In fact there's a new Sony IP/Character coming in a few months. Joel from The Last of Us. This is at the end of PS3's lifecycle. Sony and new IP go together like peanut butter and jelly.

List of new IP Sony has created this gen
-Uncharted
-The Last of Us
-LittleBigPlanet
-Playstation All-Stars
-Heavy Rain
-Beyond: Two Souls
-The Last Guardian
-inFamous
-Modnation Racers
-Motorstorm

I could go on and list a couple more but these are the most releavnt ones I could think of. 

Nintendo has created Mopsie, Feisthörnchen and Kahlrösser, so yes.

That's a rather pitiful list of IPs you have there. Quite a few of those are bordering on irrelevance and one of them is vaporware. Uncharted and The Last of Us don't count.

Never heard of any of those games. And no, the IP I listed are not "pitiful" these are major PS3 exclusives.

I think I can see a pattern in the Sony fans here.



RazorDragon on 13 February 2013
Deyon said:
Immortal said:

This part is factually wrong. I don't give a damn about the rest of the argument, but admit that it was moronic to say this.

NSMB games play differently from 3D Mario games play differently from Mario Kart games play differently from Paper Mario and so forth. There is no excess of games with the same gameplay; only 2 2D Marios per generation and only one on each platform, for example. This is a hell lot better than, say, Sony IPs.

You were wrong for this part. Outright factually wrong. Don't care whether or not he's actually milked, but I'd rather you admit that you got this wrong.

Every NSMB is the same (Very little changes), every mario kart is the same. and those 2 are the most important.

Do you expect me to keep paying $60 to jump on a gomba's head and save the princess a million times?


Every God of War is the same(Very little changes), for example. Every Call of Duty is the same(Very little changes), for example. The difference is that if you jump on a Goomba's head a million times, in those games you would be jumping two million times because new games on those series release earlier than new games in the Mario series. Actually, Nintendo doesn't expect you to keep paying $60, because Mario games cost $50 for Wii and Wii U and $40 for 3DS.