You can't call someone a troll, period. Get that?

I couldn't get into the game, kinda like I couldn't get into Galaxy at first. If the whole game sucks, then so be it, but I intend to come back to it. I also never had a chance to finish SS so that handles your SS argument. I lent it to my bro and he lives 14 hours away so, well, I gotta just be patient.

The thing I find most ironic about your behavior in my threads is that you want the very same thing I do, you said it yourself what was it a year ago. You yourself said that you wanted 2D Mario games with better worlds and more production value since it's a 20m+ selling series.

So why now that I mention that I want the very same thing, and explain why I disagree with your more recent attitude of "who cares about the worlds it's all about the gameplay", you insult me?

The problem is not with me, I grew up with Mario, and always was in love with what Mario stood and stands for still in its 3D iterations. I am advocating for that same imaginativeness be put into the 2D versions. You got lost somewhere when you realized that Nintendo was never going to do that for you, and started to defend them blindly. That's where you're wrong, horribly wrong, and you don't make sense to me, from where I come from, playing Mario as a child and learning to love what made Mario the great thing that it was and is, even today.

Top - notch? Not even remotely close. It has the same simple 3 button gameplay it had 25 years ago, with a few tweaks here and there. It is FAR from top notch by today's standards. If i compare a game like Skyrim to Mario the difference is even bigger.

Its simple addicting and fun, but its nowhere near top notch.

(I assumed you were talking about 2D mario)

I didn't say revolutionary gameplay, I said top-notch gameplay. In contrast with the variety required in making a world captivating, the number of buttons doesn't dictate the quality of gameplay.

The NSMB series is nothing but a blatant cash grab. That's why I prefer 3D Mario games because Nintendo actually has to try when it comes to those.

If you were a younger child right now, you would probably get that magical feeling from NSMB or NSMBU. Neither of us can really say, unfortunately. All games used to feel much more magical to me as a child than they do now. They used to be these amazing worlds with all new concepts and fun ideas. As I grew up, these feelings slowly faded and I now never feel them anymore. When I go back to play the old Genesis/SNES games I grew up on, I realize that most of the ones I loved are actually rather boring and simple.

Rol, please stop cherry-picking :( I told you that I didn't get into Galaxy 2, but notwithstanding that game, 3D Mario holds true to Mario's roots (M64, Sunshine, Galaxy). There are always outliers, but in general the trend is still alive. Also Galaxy 2 is the very last entry in the series and is a rare "sequel" to a 3D Mario game, I expect Mario to reinvent itself for the next iteration.

I was just about to give up replying, but you put thought into this post so I'm going to follow.

I think I misunderstood you. I thought you were calling for better production value because you expected that from them, for a better enjoyment of the game. I didn't realize it was strictly a matter of sales.

The fundamental difference between you and I as Nintendo fans is that, you would buy the game so long as the gameplay is good. I will buy the game so long as it captivates my imagination. Gameplay, to me, is really secondary (EDIT: Actually they both have to be awesome). Just last week I was playing NSMB2 and beat the game, then played it almost through and through (lost my save point so I have to redo some levels...), it was lots of fun. But, it wasn't the Mario I grew up to, it didn't captivate me like old Mario did. I am more cynical, that is for sure, I won't argue that. But at the same time, there's a part of me that recognizes true captivating content, and it's something I see less and less of in the industry, and it makes me sad. To get a really compelling game for me, now, I need to dig really hard because it's honestly rare. The last game that really captivated me was Shadow of the Colossus, and that's a Sony game...

What I wanted to say was that, to me, a player that puts all emphasis on gameplay when it comes to Mario games missed the point. I was very upset when people made fun of the idea of people hoping for story or at least captivating worlds from Super Mario Bros. in your thread, I felt pretty insulted personally. In my understanding, Mario became the great series it is today due to that mystical charm it had when it was first made, and for people to make fun of that was really a sad thing for me. NSMB is the posterchild for those people, and it makes me sad. I appreciate the gameplay value that NSMB has, but for people to just give Nintendo a free pass just because and not put pressure and not say "hey, what about production value, what about story, what about atmosphere, what about music?" is something that makes me upset as an original Mario fan.

@HappyD: At the risk of opening a can of worms, what do you think about Donkey Kong Country Returns?

To be honest I haven't given that game a fair shot so I really can't comment. I played till the middle of world 2, but I don't own it. I will though, and when I will I'll share. For now I have many games to play and I just haven't had a chance to get to it.

For what I played, it was fun, but having played the original Donkey Kong Country I know that the game always gets better the closer you get to the end so I'll let you know when I get there.

On the topic of DK, I loved Jungle Beat. Loved it.

Guess I never was a Mario fan then, because when I played Super Mario Bros. as a kid I didn't understand at all what was going on and I didn't care about it either. Only thing I knew was that it was fun as hell doing it. Not sure I even understood I was supposed to save a princess.

Well shit, blame it on our CoD-gaming generation, where we love playing the same bullshit for years on end. In my honest opinion, Gamers are not very keen on sudden innovation(or in this case, change) and Nintendo is a business, why the fuck would they do a 180 on the very popular and still high selling (platform)Mario franchise and jeopardize it? Maybe a much-more story focused Mario that is also a platformer, could sell well but who knows?

Who are you to tell us what makes a game great? That is a ridiculously subjective part of the game and ENTIRELY up to the gamer. I could say "RE5 was awesome cause it had so much action. I love action and zombies!" Another gamer will say, " I love RE5 cause black chicks are hot." You can't tell them that those two specific aspects of the game aren't what makes the game special TO THEM, doesn't matter how or what genre the franchise started in.

Matter fact, why not start one of those petitions you Nintendo "hardcore" fans seem to be bring up about EVERYTHING. Go ahead, I'll wait here.