Cause that touchscreen is really helping push Wii U sales, right?

I agree with the Kinect point, but its not for the core gamer, it's for the casual gamer. We'll have to wait and see if it actually appeals to them, though.

As for graphics, you guys keep hoping its not going to be much of a leap. Just wait and see. Especially since most games were sub-HD this gen, while most games next gen (at least from the PS4) are going to 1080P, while boasting higher poly counts and higher res textures.

Sure... they definitely won't. They'll probably take a significant loss (maybe $100, I doubt any more than that going by the specs), which they can make back relatively easily if the console sells OK. 

Making a profit on the console from day 1 is not important.

I refuse to read that gigantic wall of text.

It is for Sony. They can not afford to take huge losses, so Sony has to get thier console launch right or else they are screwed.

I don't think anyone expects them to take huge losses. $100 loss at launch with seemingly small R&D costs is not huge... 

"Your eyes can be so cruel, just as I can be so cruel."

Kaz, we do B_E_L_I_E_V_E in you!

this is how I feel.  Developers will innovate to stay competitive with each other.  I just want the hardware to give them the power to do that and the companies to give me value (PS+, free online, funding their exclusives, and supporting new IPs).  I hope the DS3 is compatible if they have some expensive touchpad controller (really don't even see how that would make anything easier since you wouldn't be able to tell where you were tapping relative to the screen) I'll just use it.

i hope it's more then just a touch screen.

I hope it's less than a touch screen, as in 360 style triggers, Vita style Dpad, and a little bigger.

Sony will never abondon hardcore gamers because casual gamers don't like Sony.