Wow, that's some terrifying numbers for Caesar.

100M is an overstatement, but i'd say at least somewhere between 20-50M of people have been killed or enslaved by ottomans. After the Mongolians and the Japanese, Turks were the biggest killers and slavers from Asia

I'd say the number is in single digits. We haven't colonized our subjects and stole their riches. 20 to 50m would mean today balkan and middle east population would be below 0.

You can't possibly compare a simple terrorist who will probably be forgotten in 50 years to someone who killed 11+million people in the holocaust, and started a war that killed I think around 40 million soldiers and civilians. Not even close.

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. can maybe compare to Hitler, but not Bin Laden.

I honestly think most Americans are way too sensitive. A lot of people I met think 9/11 and Pearl Harbor were so horrible that it warrants things like all-out wars and a century's worth of hatred.

Bin Laden - Tien

Hitler - Super Saiyan 4 Goku

Damn!

i was about to do exactly what you described lol

i was about to go in on the whole good vs evil thing

Well, when discussing Hitler, Godwin's Law come up and Hitler is seen as a universal evil, which is what Godwin's Law touches on.   The thing is that this thread will then go all over, also become yet another thread as people take a shot at Christianity and atheism.  A basic rule I have here is that you can tell what someone is opposed to, if they try to connect Hitler wth it.

Anyhow, it might be worth discussing good vs evil, whatever that means.  Those two terms are thrown around by people, to allow them to do presumptive conversing without really actually discussing meaning.  Such terms are used in rhetoric and during persuasion to get masses to go one way or another.  What is interesting to think of is how much evil is done in the name of a "just crusader".  Individuals who go gunning down a bunch of people, then take themselves out, were on such a crusade and saw themselves as evil.  Heck, almost serial type shootings with specific targets are done by people who thought they were on a just crusade.  This goes for Belik (whatever his name is, but the shooter in Europe who wrote the supremacist manifesto), to others also.  Even the Unibomber saw himself on a just cause.  Individuals who right manifestos usually do.

First off it's not even close for a multitude of reasons. Especially when viewed outside of America.

Second many have argued that he was created by the US and built up into a terrorist version of the boogeyman and the defacto personification of terrorism. There is a reason why it took close to a decade for him to get assassinated.

As long as he was on the loose, the crusade could be continued indefinitely. Once he was milked for all that he was worth he was then taken out. And that's if we believe those events to be 100% factual. Some theorise that he was dead for a while and the whole operation was a stunt.

Considering that he was one of the most wanted men of all time it is beyond shocking that they didn't even show his body. And the explanation that they threw him into the sea out of respect to islamic custom is laughable.

They're both assist whores.