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No, but he was a very bad guy.

That being said, he wasn't responsible for MILLIONS of deaths like Hitler.



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spurgeonryan said:
No. Hitler is on par with Vlad the impaler and other monsters of history. Maybe Saddam could reach that level. At least more than bin laden.

Hitler did not hide in a cage for @ decade.

Vlad the impaler is not on par with Hitler.

He did sadistic and cruel punishments, sure, but at least that led to his people being protected from the ottomans.



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zumnupy10 said:
History Books tend to be very selective about who they call mass murders.

Some murders are hatred(Stalin,Hitler,Mao). Other are praised (Julius Caesar,Hernan Cortés).

The conquest of the American continent by the Europeans is probably the largest genocidal campaign in history.

Native americans are almost extinct.



Although I read somewhere that over 80% of Native Americans (including the Inca and other South American cultures) died thanks to Europeans, many of these are because of disease which Europe didn't unleash intentionally.


Bin Laden is not even close to Hitler.



zumnupy10 said:
History Books tend to be very selective about who they call mass murders.

Some murders are hatred(Stalin,Hitler,Mao). Other are praised (Julius Caesar,Hernan Cortés).

The conquest of the American continent by the Europeans is probably the largest genocidal campaign in history.

Native americans are almost extinct.


Cortéz and other american conquerors were never praised in any school books I read. They mostly spoke about what a disaster it was for the Mayans, Aztecs, Native Americans, Inkas, etc.

When did Ceasar do mass murders? In Gaul? Britannia?



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Simple answer: No



SxyxS said:
bin laden=10000
hitler=14mio
stalin=50mio
dschenghis khan=50-70mio
mao=70mio

3rd reich =14mio
turkish/ottoman empire=100mio++
british empire=100mio++

hitler:following his own racist ideology and the rockefeller-rudin eugenics to make him rule the world=egoism as motivation

bin laden:following mohammeds religious racists ideology to help islam rule world=religion as motivation.


The fuck do those numbers mean? Turkish 100mio+? Are you accusing us of having killed more than 100,000,000 people?



KungKras said:
zumnupy10 said:
History Books tend to be very selective about who they call mass murders.

Some murders are hatred(Stalin,Hitler,Mao). Other are praised (Julius Caesar,Hernan Cortés).

The conquest of the American continent by the Europeans is probably the largest genocidal campaign in history.

Native americans are almost extinct.


Cortéz and other american conquerors were never praised in any school books I read. They mostly spoke about what a disaster it was for the Mayans, Aztecs, Native Americans, Inkas, etc.

When did Ceasar do mass murders? In Gaul? Britannia?

Cortez even had his face in spanish pre- euro currency

 

While Caesar killed one million gauls  and sold another million as slaves.   Almost 50% of Gaul population in that time.



haxxiy said:
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Around 50 million chinese dead. Stalin also managed to kill more ukrainians of starvation in one winter than Hitler killed jews in five or so years. Not to mention the great purge and all the population displacements after that.

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Hitler didn't only kill Jews though. It's debatable, but you could attribute all World War II deaths directly to Hitler, which would be at least 60m (in six years, that's one hell of a score). These would include military, other minorities, and collateral casualties.

I'm not saying he has more on his plate then the other 'big ones', but just to put it out there that his numbers cannot be solely based on Jewish casualties.

OT: Not by a long shot. Bin Laden is an insignificant spec compared to the 'accomplishments' of Hitler. Making such a comparison would show great underestimation in the events leading up to and during the Second World War.



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