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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global HW & SW Up! 19th January

Soleron said:
Max King of the Wild said:
anamme said:
Mario Kart for the Wii U can't come quickly enough!



I'm sure that will be the best selling Wii U game... but the Mario Kart on gamecube was also a very good selling game. What I'm saying is don't expect it to make much of a difference.

MK7 + 3D Land revived the 3DS pretty much on their own. When MK and SSB and the 3D Mario all launch, with the 2D Mario already being here, that should be a critical mass to make it not a Gamecube. Not saying it'll sell 50m, but it won't sell sub-20m either.

No, Nintendo dropping its price by $80, which lead to them selling it at a loss, is what saved the 3DS.  Nintendo can't do that with the Wii U, though they may be forced to, because they are already selling it at a pretty big loss. 

@ OP

Pretty bad numbers all around.  I do think the PS3, 360, and Vita will get price cuts, which will help with sales (the 360 less so).  To look on the bright side, at least Sony is making profit off of the Vita.  Can't say the same for Nintendo and the Wii U. 



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UncleScrooge said:

 

This is slowly becoming a worrying trend... 3DS (outside Japan), Vita and Wii U are all doing terrible. And let's not kid ourselves: The other next generation consoles are not going to fly off the shelves at a $400 price point either - they might do 10m each in their first full year but it won't be Wii-like sales (or even PS2 sales probably).

Just to be clear what these numbers mean: The Wii U is selling slower than the Gamecube did. It is currently headed for 20m lifetime sales and it is selling way slower than either the 360 or the PS3 did at first (like 1/2 of the PS360's numbers in their first year). The Wii U is close to being dead in the water. It is selling closer to Dreamcast numbers than sales of most "big" consoles. But unlike the Gamecube the Wii U is sold at a loss - they are not going to turn a profit on the console at this sales pace: Slower sales mean higher production costs per unit and lower software sales - basically their loss per unit increases over what they expected. Software development costs are fixed costs, they won't go down. Mario Kart U will be, say, $5m to develop no matter if the game sells 5 million units or 20 million units --> the net profit decreases. And it also means third parties won't find a healthy environment on the Wii U so they'll stay away from developing for it - which will result in less royalties paid to Nintendo. It's a vicious cycle. 

And the Vita is selling even worse. 28k worldwide is close to non-existent. 

(Not meant to provoke flamebait, btw. But I was really harsh on the Vita and I'll be equally harsh on the Wii U. These are not "normal" or "slightly lower than expected" sales for either console.)

 

Don't know why anyone would expect Wii like first year sales for PS4 or Xbox³. I never expected the WiiU to do Wii numbers either, so the launch weeks until Dec 31st looked pretty good to me, but I think it was obvious that the WiiU would drop as hard as it did (well maybe not as much). Wii was massively supply constraint and thus could sell over 200k every week in January.



thismeintiel said:
Soleron said:
Max King of the Wild said:

 



No, Nintendo dropping its price by $80, which lead to them selling it at a loss, is what saved the 3DS.  Nintendo can't do that with the Wii U, though they may be forced to, because they are already selling it at a pretty big loss. 

@ OP

Pretty bad numbers all around.  I do think the PS3, 360, and Vita will get price cuts, which will help with sales (the 360 less so).  To look on the bright side, at least Sony is making profit off of the Vita.  Can't say the same for Nintendo and the Wii U. 

Did they state this in their financial report? I'm pretty sure they don't at the current sales rate but I'm open to be proven wrong. 



Barozi said:
UncleScrooge said:

 

Don't know why anyone would expect Wii like first year sales for PS4 or Xbox³. I never expected the WiiU to do Wii numbers either, so the launch weeks until Dec 31st looked pretty good to me, but I think it was obvious that the WiiU would drop as hard as it did (well maybe not as much). Wii was massively supply constraint and thus could sell over 200k every week in January.


What I meant was they won't be able to reverse the decline the market is currently in. Not as in "all you people expecting it are wrong", most people don't expect them to fly off the shelves and are quite reasonable in their expectations. I know that. 



People gotta realise that the wiiU and psvita are not failing consoles/handheld, we are just going back to a gen6/7 type numbers. Which means, we should obviously expect much lower numbers weekly for all consoles in general. The casuals are gone to the smartphone and tablet market, and so what? Consoles lived way before these casuals weren't there and they will keep living again without them. The companies just gotta adjust themselves now.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

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Really bad numbers all around. I hope the ND announcements increases the sales of the Wii U at least a little, although I highly doubt it since the games were just announced, not even release dates. Anyway if this keeps going Nintendo will make a price cut before E3, or maybe Nintendo will keep does sales until the end of the year when at least Mario Kart is release, don't think so though.



Nintendo and PC gamer

wow wiiu is selling like vita if you combine Europe and usa, there is only a 2000 unit differnce, somebody call an ambulance, and save the wiiu, they need to release wii sports now before it get worst.



Capcom better pray that DmC has legs, because the whole point of this reboot was for better sales.



RolStoppable said:
ninjablade said:
wow wiiu is selling like vita if you combine Europe and usa, there is only a 2000 unit differnce, somebody call an ambulance, and save the wiiu, they need to release wii sports now before it get worst.

LOL is it moving somebody poke it.



I wouldn't be surprised if digital sales for DMC have cut into these first week numbers, considering that the PC version released a little over a week afterwards (in contrast, I think I recall that the PC version of DMC 4 released few months afterwards).