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Bajablo on 07 January 2013
Porcupine_I said:
Bajablo said:
Porcupine_I said:
Does that mean we can finally say the Wii is last gen without getting banned?

Highly doubt that you would be banned if you arn't beeing a complete ass with it?
as long as you make a valid point and don't insult, aka. be objective

edit: the wii played to it's strengths.. hardware power wasn't one of them.

Haha! Welcome to VGchartz!

Still.. if you arn't beeing an ass about it, there is nothing to ban for. true story.



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cannonballZ on 07 January 2013

ps3 and 360 launch titles looked awful. Not one game looked as good as AC3 or blops2. Wii u isn't leaps ahead of ps360, but it shows potential.



Barozi on 07 January 2013

Haha first he said that the CPU is not terrible and slow compared to other (last gen !) platforms and then he went on to say that the processor speed is not next gen material...



Tarumon on 07 January 2013
Mazty said:
“The Wii U is an infant that’s just been born. It’s a little unfair to compare it to mature platforms that people have been working on for over five years."

Not really. When the 360 came out PGR3 blew everything else out of the water in terms of graphics. If the Wii U wants to prove itself as being next gen, then it needs a title that clearly does this. In terms of efficiency it's clearly next gen shaving 100W off the load of the 360, but which gamer really cares about that?

This coming from someone with a sig boasting his broadband connection speed is unsurprising.  Nintendo clearly is not targeting the spec possessed market and if you want to model yourself after what makes a system popular, there's PS2 for true global reach and Wii for blue ocean stratefy.  Xbox360 had the most power? but it likely will end up as the least number sold globally?  (Here's rooting for PS3?).

Wii U from a spec standpoint is not next gen that also was already stated by Team Ninja.  SUVs innovated not from a hp and torque perspective.  Toyota's hybrid cars use innovation along side time proven (and decade old) gas engines.  There is more than one way to innovate.  There is no need to beat the same dead horse about Wii not graphically up to par of the nextgen HDTwins.  No one needs to prove anything there, it's a simple choice made.  

This is not like Intel vs AMD, Nvidia vs AMD, Ferrari vs Lambo, the "engineers" at Nintendo are not trying to outclass Sony's or MSfTs.  Sony and MSFT were forced into following Nintendo's lead during the Wii generation.  Innovation came at the motion controller end.  The Wii U generation is a renewed emphasis on family room gaming, 5 players with one in control of a touch controll second screen.  Let's see if Sony's Playstation magic returns, or if MSFT core corporate value of let's copy other people's success pays off.  



KungKras on 07 January 2013
Mazty said:

Because technology is very important as it allows better AI, and better graphics help a lot with immersion. I'd say the Wii wasn't next gen. If you ignore hardware then what makes something next gen becomes very messy (release date, name etc all have issues when compared to PS3 slim, or xbox elite - think about it ;) )

Because controllers aren't hardware.....



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OceanJ on 07 January 2013

"It’s no mistake to say that we have entered a period where it’s difficult to provide an obvious difference to many players based on processor speed alone."

Indeed.  That is exactly, the heart of the matter.



ryuzaki57 on 07 January 2013
N-Magic said:

Team Ninja: Wii U processor not “horrible and slow”, console is next-gen

A couple of months ago, one Metro: Last Light developer made a remark stating that the Wii U has a “horrible, slow” CPU. But Team Ninja boss Yosuke Hayashi, responding to the claim, says this is not so. Hayashi feels the comment “was just 4A trying to find a scapegoat for a simple business decision on their part.”

“The Wii U is an infant that’s just been born. It’s a little unfair to compare it to mature platforms that people have been working on for over five years. I’m sure people will find ways to bring out even more power as the platform matures. To be completely blunt and honest, there’s no way that the Wii U processor is ‘horrible and slow’ compared to other platforms. I think that comment was just 4A trying to find a scapegoat for a simple business decision on their part.”

Hayashi does acknowledge that the Wii U may not be a next-gen console from the standpoint of its processor speed. However, he believes its next-gen nature stems from innovation and “Wii U being a new idea that challenges existing platforms”.

“If you’re basing this simply on processor speed, then it’s not next generation. If you’re basing this on Wii U being a new idea that challenges existing platforms, then it definitely is next generation. It is a console videogame platform that is now independent of the TV. Nobody has done that before. It’s no mistake to say that we have entered a period where it’s difficult to provide an obvious difference to many players based on processor speed alone. Players want new innovation that includes the environment in which you play and services you use, rather than just raw processor spec. Nintendo is at the forefront of that innovation. I’m looking forward to seeing what the other platforms come up with in the future.”

Can I have the link please? I'd love to know if he talked PS360 port of NG3RE.



 

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Barozi on 07 January 2013
cannonballZ said:
ps3 and 360 launch titles looked awful. Not one game looked as good as AC3 or blops2. Wii u isn't leaps ahead of ps360, but it shows potential.

It's obvious that no launch game looked as good as AC3 or Black Ops 2 (though that one is not that far off), but they were surely not awful looking:

PGR3 (360 launch title)
http://i.imgur.com/aLsq5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mvOqK.jpg
(took them on my own 360)

Madden NFL 06 (360 launch title)
Xbox 360: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ff/pf/xbox/xboxvsxbox_002_440.jpg
Xbox: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ff/pf/xbox/xboxvsxbox_001_440.jpg

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 (360 launch title)
Xbox 360: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ff/pf/xbox/xboxvsxbox_018_440.jpg
Xbox: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ff/pf/xbox/xboxvsxbox_017_440.jpg

Call Of Duty 3 (PS3 launch title)
http://www.spielekatalog.com/daten/screenshots/1175647280-2.jpg
http://www.2-game.be/games/Call%20of%20Duty%203%201.jpg

Resistance FoM (PS3 launch title)
http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/4399/feature/2006-10-20/screen4_large.jpg



Mr Khan on 07 January 2013
Barozi said:
Haha first he said that the CPU is not terrible and slow compared to other (last gen !) platforms and then he went on to say that the processor speed is not next gen material...

Yeah, that was really a two-faced compliment <_>



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Mazty on 07 January 2013
Mnementh said:
Mazty said:
 

Because technology is very important as it allows better AI, and better graphics help a lot with immersion. I'd say the Wii wasn't next gen. If you ignore hardware then what makes something next gen becomes very messy (release date, name etc all have issues when compared to PS3 slim, or xbox elite - think about it ;) )

Well, so you claim the PS2 wasn't in the same gen as Xbox and Gamecube, as these two clearly had considerably more power?


No they didn't. Technically they had more power, but it wasn't noticable. The difference between the 360/PS3 and Wii is very, very clear.