That's the problem though it's extremely hard to find such material on the internet UNLESS you create it yourself.


As you can see I already mady my own PGR3 pics and uploaded them. :)

You are wrong to think it changed gaming... for a brief moment in time it got a lot of new people playing and some of them are still playing. It was an audience expansion, not an audience conversion.

The audience that converted favored the change to HD graphics and other perks on HD twins more than the motion control gimmick of any console.

it's a ridiclous argument anyway, the fact is launch games for 360 looks much better then anything from lastgen, just being 720p made a huge difference. anothere thing people don't seem to underdstant is when 360 launched develpers were not familiar with techinques to push the hardware, as 360 launch games were the best looking games out even on pc. it's clear as day light wii u is on par with current gen, if it was'nt then at the very least it would have better looking ports like 99% of xbox vs ps2 prts.

100% true, wii sold to none gamers that thought motion controls were amazing and could help them and there kids exercise, it was a fresh new concept that took off, at the sametime those people, are not loyal like your 360/ps3 fanbase that will keep on buying games and looking for to the new system, just look at the wii u in europe that system is as dead as it gets and i expect the samthing to happen in the us, nintendo has lost its gamer fanbase they have all moved to 360/ps3, who can blame them.

This is myth that needs to die. It's just wishful thinking on the part of those who consider themselves "core gamers" who want to be the center of attention again. The casual crowd is here to stay. If the Wii's audience was the GameCube audience plus casuals, and the casuals were only interested in a few Wii games and then stopped buying them, the Wii would only have achieved slightly greater software sales than the GameCube. But that's not the case at all. The Wii sold over 4 times as much software as the GameCube. Those casuals must have bought more than 2 or 3 games -- the console has a tie ratio over 8. So either the GameCube quarter of the Wii's audience bought 50+ games on average, or the casuals bought their fair share.

The casual audience has not "disappeared." They have not "abandoned" the Wii. On the contrary -- it was the so-called "core" audience that abandoned the Wii. The casuals have been there through thick and thin. They were there in 2008 for Mario Kart Wii. They were there in 2009 for Wii Sports Resort and New Super Mario Bros. In 2010, Zumba Fitness, Wii Party. Through it all, those early games have continued selling. Do you think it's the "core" Nintendo audience still buying over 2 million units of Mario Kart Wii in 2012? Over 2 million of Wii Sports Resort? Almost 2 million of New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

It's not just the Wii, either. Was it the "core" XBox audience that made Kinect Adventures the best-selling 360 game in 2010 -- which, by the way, sold almost 5 million units in 2012? That bought over 5 million copies of Kinect Sports, released the same year, and again selling well over a million units last year despite being two years old? Does the so-revered "core" audience continue buying games by the millions years after their release? Halo: Reach, released 2010, didn't manage a million in 2012. GTA4 for 360, released 2008, hasn't reached a million since its launch year.

And my favorite example: Just Dance. The series that has sold almost 40 million units after debuting in 2009, just 4 years ago. 10 million a year on average. But let's break it down! Only Just Dance for Wii was released in 2009, and it sold almost 7 million units LTD. Not bad. Just Dance 2, released in 2010 for Wii, sold over 9 million units. Now that's growth! Just Dance 3, released in 2011 for all three major consoles, sold over 11 million units. How could the series grow so big so fast if the "casual" audience it feeds on have all moved on to $1 tablet games?

2012 was a slump year for Just Dance, although it's more like a transition year. Just Dance 4 will continue selling into 2013, but there's no denying its sales have fallen from 2011. How could this be? Well, the franchises's biggest platform, the Wii, was truly in decline in 2012. It received little or no software support the entire year, and much of the year before. In fact, it's a miracle that Just Dance 4 managed the measly almost 5 million sales it did.

Yeah, 5 million casuals were there for the Wii despite being shafted all year in releases. Man, if only there were some really core games released for the same console in the same year we could compare this to.... OH HEY, I FOUND SOME.

Just Dance 4 for Wii sold over 2.5 million units in the US in 2012. Xenoblade Chronicles, the high-profile first-party epic Nintendo RPG the internet was desperately clamoring for throughout 2011, was released in the states half a year before JD4 and sold under 400k copies. The Last Story, the epic RPG from the freaking creator of Final Fantasy that, again, the internet was desperately clamoring for throughout 2011, sold merely 150k in the US in 2012. The two games combined barely broke 500k, one-fifth the sales of Just Dance 4. "Core" games didn't fare much better in Europe, where The Last Story, released in February last year, barely sold 100k, while Just Dance 4 (October!) sold over 1.5 million.

Again... the "casuals" are still here. It's the self-labeled "core" that left.

And who cares if your "casuals" don't want to play Zelda or Metroid? Maybe those games just, I dunno, don't appeal to them. The same way Wii Sports doesn't appeal to you, yet the average Wii owner has dumped something like 40 hours into Wii Sports. Average.

They were all "in game shots" and I was not mixing and matching to make one look better than the other. You can always go look through ign or watch videos of each of the said games and you will notice, again that there was not a substantial leap when it comes to what was coming out near the end of the xbox's life and the 360's launch. Actually, since videos do not lie, I'll provide  both Forza and PGR2.

Forza

PGR2

The issue is that tech demos are never really a good demonstration of what a game will be like as a tech demo will be:
a) Ridiculously optimised
b) Playing to the GPU's strengths.

For example, look at some of the brilliant tech demos by Nvidia. Here's a good example:
http://www.nvidia.com/coolstuff/demos#!/human-head

Now that demo does run brilliantly on many cards, but in reality no game comes close to that mainly because it's just a static scene, just as the garden demo won't have AI involved etc. 

If you want that kind of visuals on a console then get ready to pay up $500+. 

Riiiiiiiight, so where was the HUD for the Doom screenshot?

Also PGR2 was an xbox game, not a 360 game...

Here's PGR3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqMEv3kW5c

Wow, very nice. First scene made me think what could be done with a new Mirror's Edge...