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VGKing said:
Tobacco is legal and that is way more harmful an addicting than something like Marijuana. If any drug should be legal, its Marijuana since it actually has some medical purposes. No one is saying they should legalize and start advertising MJ on TV, it should be only sold in stores where Tobacco is sold and of course only to those of age.

Actually, Tobacco is less addictive then Alcohol and Marijuanna. It's the niccotene cigarette companies add to tobacco, along with other chemicals which makes it addictive. Niccotene is a natural product in cigarettes, so it's not illegal to add more, but naturally Cigarettes aren't too addictive.

However I agree, Marijuana really isn;t that harmful. If Alcohol is legal, I see no reason for weed to be as well.



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SvennoJ said:
Michael-5 said:

but Exstacy is huge here, and that also isn't okay

To be honest, I think Marijuanna should be legalized, and the money made on taxation should be used to fight a war on exstacy, and be used to improve rehabilitation programs such as CAMH (Center for Adiction and Metal Health). So done right, legalizing this drug which over 50% of high school students have used already, would be better. Plus the weed will be cleaner, no added "Angel Dust" or anything.

What do you have against xtc? It's been a long time since I used it, and I did do my research at the time and had a good clean source.
It's basically a therapy drug that lets you more easily connect with other people next to a general feeling of joy.
It helped me open up at the time and break down some of the walls I had put up around me. And it was a lot of fun during raves ofcourse.
It is not addictive and it starts being less effective if used a couple times after another. For best effect you have to wait a month in between at least.

Like anything there are negatives that can hit hard if you're not prepared. Don't forget to drink fluids and make sure you don't have to do anything the next day as you likely won't sleep most of the night, plus your mood will swing in the opposire direction for the next day.

I don't see a problem with legalized xtc with the right information attached. The biggest problem is that the illegal version is usually cut with other drugs or contains half finished product.

Cannabis should be legalized first anyway. Get some guidelines on THC concentration and a better distribution form then burning smoke. Inhaling is still the best way as the effects are almost instant, much better then alcohol to gage when you've had enough.
The only problem I see is that combining alcohol with cannabis is not a good thing, hence 'coffeeshops' in Amsterdam don't serve alcohol. Allowing 'coffeeshops' for people to enjoy that form of entertainement is better then teenagers experimenting with both at parties. Educate instead of condemn.

For perscription use, I think anything is fine. If Exstacy helps anxious people open up, then make it a perscription for anxious or shy people.

For recreational use, it's easily abbused. I know tons of people who took exstacy and kept taking it, with higher and higher doses, and then moved on to harder drugs. Like you said it hits you less hard if you take it too frequently.

To be honest, it's really not the exstacy that bothers me. There are some side effects, but like you said if you drink lots of fluids and prepare for it you will be fine. Some people like yourself who take it once in a while, I don't see harm in. It's the people who take it regularly which I worry for.

What really bugs me about exstacy is the stuff they add to it. Viagra, Speed, Meth, Codene. Different colour pills do different things.

"With the right information attached" lol! Prescription substance abuse is just as big of a problem, if not bigger, then restricted substance abuse here in Canada. People will abuse exstacy, and that's the problem. People who become alcoholics, or addicted to drugs, don't do it recreationally, or just ocassionally. They do it to get f***ed, and that's why we ban drugs. Hell if people were careful, they would all take heroine in balloons, and be careful to the exact disage, but they don't. Exstacy is less extreme, but still dangerous to many (not all).

The only analogy I could make to this is speeding. Maybe 5% of the population is capable of travelling 200km/h without issue, but the other 95% are not. We make laws for everyone, not just the few who are capable of controlling themselves. How do we judge if your capable of controlling yourself? Do we give you a psych test before you fill a prescription like we do for gun licences? That doesn't catch everyone.

I dunno how much you know about weed, but you can buy yourself something called a vaporizer. It's essentially a pot with a plastic bag on top. Anyhow, you vaporize the thc in the weed, and you get about twice as high without all the negatives of smoke. You're just inhaling humid air with weed in it.

I agree with you about Holland.

BTW I took a few classes in law, and I learned a really good reason why weed is banned. Laws are passed based on morals, and it's very difficult to pass a law which debans a banned substance. This is because people are trained to believe that this substance is bad. However if enough people vote for it, laws can be changed. The issue is, the bulk of out population are becoming senior citizens, and these people did not grow up with weed being acceptable like it is now. I bet in time, weed will become legal. It's already decriminalized in many countries/US states. That's a start.



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I don't think they are ok
I would even completely ban alcohol and normal cigarettes.
There is nothing more disgusting in the world that can turn a beautiful girl into a trash can.

Get a freakin hobby people - Work out(without roids of course)
Eat healthy,live healthy and get your life together.
A lot of people do drugs cause their life is soooo hard and they need that stuff to make it bearable.
Guess what?Drugs don't help - But working out,learning stuff and everything else that is good for your body and mind will help you.



YukanaSenix said:

I don't think they are ok
I would even completely ban alcohol and normal cigarettes.
There is nothing more disgusting in the world that can turn a beautiful girl into a trash can.

Get a freakin hobby people - Work out(without roids of course)
Eat healthy,live healthy and get your life together.
A lot of people do drugs cause their life is soooo hard and they need that stuff to make it bearable.
Guess what?Drugs don't help - But working out,learning stuff and everything else that is good for your body and mind will help you.

I work out and am generally active, eat relatively healthy, do well in school and have hobbies. I also smoke weed. Banning alcohol really wouldn't be a good idea, just take a look at what prohibition did in the 20s. And making these substances illegal doesn't stop anyone from getting them, it actually makes it easier in some cases (I can get weed, which is illegal, much more easily than getting alchohol, which is legal, as a 16 year old).

edit: I do agree that people shouldn't do drugs to escape their problems though, that's not what they are (unless it'll help a medical condition like people who use MJ for insomnia or depression).



Chevinator123 said:
Drugs are bad and should stay illegal, my 2 brothers have been smoking pot everyday for like 10 years and there minds are fked up 1 of them is a skitzo any little thing will set him off into a fit of rage and the other 1 thinks he hears sounds in his girlfreind (he thinks she has a machine in her) (not even fucking joking...) although i suspect this is because hes recently took up meth (witch he would have never of done if he wasn't on pot (the gateway drug)

DRUGS ARE BAD

Yeah... let's ignore the studies that find no link between marijuana and schizophrenia, let's ignore the fact that marijuana is medically beneficial to millions of people, let's ignore the fact that smoking weed is a victimless crime and making it illegal doesn't stop people from doing it, and let's ignore the fact that legalisation makes it harder for younger people to access it (i.e. me), takes money out of the hands of the REAL criminals (cartels, drug dealers) and would bring in billions through taxation.

Yep, let's ignore all of that and instead use assumption-stuffed anecdotes as our arguments and shout "DRUGS ARE BAD".



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Michael-5 said:

For perscription use, I think anything is fine. If Exstacy helps anxious people open up, then make it a perscription for anxious or shy people.

For recreational use, it's easily abbused. I know tons of people who took exstacy and kept taking it, with higher and higher doses, and then moved on to harder drugs. Like you said it hits you less hard if you take it too frequently.

To be honest, it's really not the exstacy that bothers me. There are some side effects, but like you said if you drink lots of fluids and prepare for it you will be fine. Some people like yourself who take it once in a while, I don't see harm in. It's the people who take it regularly which I worry for.

What really bugs me about exstacy is the stuff they add to it. Viagra, Speed, Meth, Codene. Different colour pills do different things.

"With the right information attached" lol! Prescription substance abuse is just as big of a problem, if not bigger, then restricted substance abuse here in Canada. People will abuse exstacy, and that's the problem. People who become alcoholics, or addicted to drugs, don't do it recreationally, or just ocassionally. They do it to get f***ed, and that's why we ban drugs. Hell if people were careful, they would all take heroine in balloons, and be careful to the exact disage, but they don't. Exstacy is less extreme, but still dangerous to many (not all).

The only analogy I could make to this is speeding. Maybe 5% of the population is capable of travelling 200km/h without issue, but the other 95% are not. We make laws for everyone, not just the few who are capable of controlling themselves. How do we judge if your capable of controlling yourself? Do we give you a psych test before you fill a prescription like we do for gun licences? That doesn't catch everyone.

I dunno how much you know about weed, but you can buy yourself something called a vaporizer. It's essentially a pot with a plastic bag on top. Anyhow, you vaporize the thc in the weed, and you get about twice as high without all the negatives of smoke. You're just inhaling humid air with weed in it.

I agree with you about Holland.

BTW I took a few classes in law, and I learned a really good reason why weed is banned. Laws are passed based on morals, and it's very difficult to pass a law which debans a banned substance. This is because people are trained to believe that this substance is bad. However if enough people vote for it, laws can be changed. The issue is, the bulk of out population are becoming senior citizens, and these people did not grow up with weed being acceptable like it is now. I bet in time, weed will become legal. It's already decriminalized in many countries/US states. That's a start.

The added stuff you get is because it is made illegal. Because it is illegal there is no research to make the drug safer, no studies on its long term effect and you get all kinds of shitty versions on the street. You won't root out all the bad stuff (there is still moonshine to this day) but at least 99% of people that are going to try it can get a clean version.

People that abuse drugs will find a way to do it anyway, you can always sniff glue or huff gasoline. With taxation on legal drugs you can offer these people help. Although I realize that's probably wishful thinking, how much tax money from the sale of alcohol goes to free alcohol rehab clinics? Safer versions and actual research into drug effects is a good first step anyway.

Speeding is not a good analogy really. Speeding is a direct danger to other people for the 95% that can't drive safely at 200 kph. Beside that, there are legal alternatives if you desire to race. Why not have legal alternatives to experience drugs with other people in a controlled environment.

I've heard about vaporizers but since I moved to Canada I've not used anymore. I wish they had them back when I using small amounts regularly to help me get my sleeping pattern under control. (The docter recommended me sleeping pills, no thanks)
I wouldn't mind using marijuana again now and then for recreational purposes but I'm not willing to use illegal means for that.

It's quite an interesting read how Marijuana was banned in the first place.
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
It adresses all these topics which helped make marijuana illegal

  • Racism
  • Fear
  • Protection of Corporate Profits
  • Yellow Journalism
  • Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
  • Personal Career Advancement and Greed

Similar reasons can be found for other drugs.

But yes nowadays it's hard to reverse that decision as people have been told for years that it is bad and immoral.
In Holland it's actually going in the opposite direction atm, people fed up with drug tourism want it made illegal. The weed pass plan has been axed so far but many people in Holland would have you believe the streets are filled with stoned zombie tourists.
Smarts shops (mushrooms) have been made illegal already since a suicide while under influence. A knee jerk reaction, I don't see alcohol getting banned when people drink themselves to death or kill others while driving drunk.

Anyway teenageres will continue to be curious, simply banning stuff will only drive them to try out new unknown or riskier alternatives. Better research and education will be more helpful in the long run.

 


pezus said:
Smoking cigarettes will be banned eventually, just like drugs are now (at least in some countries). Alcohol probably never will unless something very drastic happens. Don't do drugs!

Banning alcohol has actually happened before. I think it was in the 1920's in the USA, and it completely failed to work. As for cigarettes, they will never be banned completely (i'm glad they are banned in public places like pubs/ restaurants in the UK though). There's too much money to be made from the death sticks.  



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Chevinator123 said:
Drugs are bad and should stay illegal, my 2 brothers have been smoking pot everyday for like 10 years and there minds are fked up 1 of them is a skitzo any little thing will set him off into a fit of rage and the other 1 thinks he hears sounds in his girlfreind (he thinks she has a machine in her) (not even fucking joking...) although i suspect this is because hes recently took up meth (witch he would have never of done if he wasn't on pot (the gateway drug)

DRUGS ARE BAD

Dude, weed doesn't cause mental illness. Your brothers probably started smoking pot as way to cope with the illness they already had.

This is a chicken/egg argument. Let me say this.....skitzo means they probalby hear voices and probably don't have many friends right? I'm guessing this is their current status. Now here's the question, were your brothers "normal" before they started using pot?

(Meth will fuck you up. That drug will definitely mess people up, but now that I think about it, smoking pot EVERY SINGLE DAY probably will too..)



Michael-5 said:
VGKing said:
Tobacco is legal and that is way more harmful an addicting than something like Marijuana. If any drug should be legal, its Marijuana since it actually has some medical purposes. No one is saying they should legalize and start advertising MJ on TV, it should be only sold in stores where Tobacco is sold and of course only to those of age.

Actually, Tobacco is less addictive then Alcohol and Marijuanna. It's the niccotene cigarette companies add to tobacco, along with other chemicals which makes it addictive. Niccotene is a natural product in cigarettes, so it's not illegal to add more, but naturally Cigarettes aren't too addictive.

However I agree, Marijuana really isn;t that harmful. If Alcohol is legal, I see no reason for weed to be as well.

Not that informed on cigs but dont' pretty much all cigarettes have nicotine? Doesn't the nicotine make them more pleasing to smoke or something? If so most probably smoke these....



pezus said:
the2real4mafol said:
pezus said:
Smoking cigarettes will be banned eventually, just like drugs are now (at least in some countries). Alcohol probably never will unless something very drastic happens. Don't do drugs!

Banning alcohol has actually happened before. I think it was in the 1920's in the USA, and it completely failed to work. As for cigarettes, they will never be banned completely (i'm glad they are banned in public places like pubs/ restaurants in the UK though). There's too much money to be made from the death sticks.  

Yeah, beer was banned here in Iceland too for a few years. Didn't work very well because people just bought beer on the black market or bought harder alcohol.

Isn't Finland's goal to completely eliminate cigarettes before 2040 or something? That's what I heard recently. I wish every country did the same. Cigarettes are the cause of so many fucking problems it's incredibly hard to believe. I sit in class and it's almost every single day I hear about yet another disease/syndrome where cigarettes are the major cause and I just wonder how the fuck people can do this to themselves. Better preventive measures are needed. 

I personally would love a society without any cigarettes (cigars are better anyway!), it stinks and you are slowly paying for your death by doing, it's pointless. And yet i feel a ban wouldn't work, people need to be educated about it and make there own choice (as long as i don't have to breath it in!). Smoking should be at least kept to a house or a car or some place like that. 



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