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SvennoJ on 08 January 2013
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Michael-5 said:

For perscription use, I think anything is fine. If Exstacy helps anxious people open up, then make it a perscription for anxious or shy people.

For recreational use, it's easily abbused. I know tons of people who took exstacy and kept taking it, with higher and higher doses, and then moved on to harder drugs. Like you said it hits you less hard if you take it too frequently.

To be honest, it's really not the exstacy that bothers me. There are some side effects, but like you said if you drink lots of fluids and prepare for it you will be fine. Some people like yourself who take it once in a while, I don't see harm in. It's the people who take it regularly which I worry for.

What really bugs me about exstacy is the stuff they add to it. Viagra, Speed, Meth, Codene. Different colour pills do different things.

"With the right information attached" lol! Prescription substance abuse is just as big of a problem, if not bigger, then restricted substance abuse here in Canada. People will abuse exstacy, and that's the problem. People who become alcoholics, or addicted to drugs, don't do it recreationally, or just ocassionally. They do it to get f***ed, and that's why we ban drugs. Hell if people were careful, they would all take heroine in balloons, and be careful to the exact disage, but they don't. Exstacy is less extreme, but still dangerous to many (not all).

The only analogy I could make to this is speeding. Maybe 5% of the population is capable of travelling 200km/h without issue, but the other 95% are not. We make laws for everyone, not just the few who are capable of controlling themselves. How do we judge if your capable of controlling yourself? Do we give you a psych test before you fill a prescription like we do for gun licences? That doesn't catch everyone.

I dunno how much you know about weed, but you can buy yourself something called a vaporizer. It's essentially a pot with a plastic bag on top. Anyhow, you vaporize the thc in the weed, and you get about twice as high without all the negatives of smoke. You're just inhaling humid air with weed in it.

I agree with you about Holland.

BTW I took a few classes in law, and I learned a really good reason why weed is banned. Laws are passed based on morals, and it's very difficult to pass a law which debans a banned substance. This is because people are trained to believe that this substance is bad. However if enough people vote for it, laws can be changed. The issue is, the bulk of out population are becoming senior citizens, and these people did not grow up with weed being acceptable like it is now. I bet in time, weed will become legal. It's already decriminalized in many countries/US states. That's a start.

The added stuff you get is because it is made illegal. Because it is illegal there is no research to make the drug safer, no studies on its long term effect and you get all kinds of shitty versions on the street. You won't root out all the bad stuff (there is still moonshine to this day) but at least 99% of people that are going to try it can get a clean version.

People that abuse drugs will find a way to do it anyway, you can always sniff glue or huff gasoline. With taxation on legal drugs you can offer these people help. Although I realize that's probably wishful thinking, how much tax money from the sale of alcohol goes to free alcohol rehab clinics? Safer versions and actual research into drug effects is a good first step anyway.

Speeding is not a good analogy really. Speeding is a direct danger to other people for the 95% that can't drive safely at 200 kph. Beside that, there are legal alternatives if you desire to race. Why not have legal alternatives to experience drugs with other people in a controlled environment.

I've heard about vaporizers but since I moved to Canada I've not used anymore. I wish they had them back when I using small amounts regularly to help me get my sleeping pattern under control. (The docter recommended me sleeping pills, no thanks)
I wouldn't mind using marijuana again now and then for recreational purposes but I'm not willing to use illegal means for that.

It's quite an interesting read how Marijuana was banned in the first place.
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
It adresses all these topics which helped make marijuana illegal

  • Racism
  • Fear
  • Protection of Corporate Profits
  • Yellow Journalism
  • Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
  • Personal Career Advancement and Greed

Similar reasons can be found for other drugs.

But yes nowadays it's hard to reverse that decision as people have been told for years that it is bad and immoral.
In Holland it's actually going in the opposite direction atm, people fed up with drug tourism want it made illegal. The weed pass plan has been axed so far but many people in Holland would have you believe the streets are filled with stoned zombie tourists.
Smarts shops (mushrooms) have been made illegal already since a suicide while under influence. A knee jerk reaction, I don't see alcohol getting banned when people drink themselves to death or kill others while driving drunk.

Anyway teenageres will continue to be curious, simply banning stuff will only drive them to try out new unknown or riskier alternatives. Better research and education will be more helpful in the long run.