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richardhutnik said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
pokoko said:
Personally, I still think it would be a great game for a bundle, especially in a two/multiple game bundle. It's a good game for families and putting it in a bundle or on PS+ would be a good way to build the franchise fanbase for the future. It would also be a way to promote the Vita by giving PS3 owners a Vita game for free. From the beginning, I said that I thought Sony had modest expectations for this game, but bigger hopes for the franchise.

Ultimately, sales for this game are going to be cut short by the arrival of the PS4. This is a title that would normally sell more by word of mouth or indirect advertising than by direct advertising--in other words, it would have legs--but the timing of the release will likely cut that short.

My belief has always been that Sony created this game, not necessarily for individual sales, but to be another feature of the Playstation brand. It's there to fill a niche. I think it will one day become a PS+ mainstay.

What kind of annoys me when I read threads like this is that, for some reason, none of the fans of other consoles ever reference my opinion or the opinions of others who didn't say anything outlandish. You never read, "lol playstations fans have modest expectations for this game." Instead, it's always something like, "lol playstation fans thought this game would sell 20m lololol." I mean, wait? The hell? Twenty people can say 1m but if a couple of people say 20m then THEY are the ones that get quoted as representatives of everyone who games on a particular device? It's really hard to take anyone seriously who uses extremes to create gross generalizations. Yes, you're going to get under the skin of the ignorant, but people with intelligence will be face-palming at you.


without generalising how else would he get to attack the sony fanbase? 

i don't really think anyone here believes he made this thread for any other reason

 

edit : he didn't, for example, make a thread on why people were predicting the wii u would sell over 4 mil as kitler said and given the gaming company he choses to align himself with i'm not surpirsed

I think that's just a lack of knowledge on the poster.  Richardhutnik is many things, but he doesn't actually dislike any company.  He DOES however make his own boardgames and such and therefore is particularly interested in why things sell and don't sell.

As for the Wii U.  That's just a boring ass thread because all it boils down to is "There was never enough supply at launch."  So "overestimated supply" is about as far as you'd get in that thread.

I have things I dislike about most companies out there at this point.  It doesn't mean I want them to drop out completely.  You say Microsoft with me and I will say "Borg".  I am doing phone tech support for Apple, so now i have a bit pro-spin that way, because sale of iOS products keeps me employed as a contractor.  As fr as Nintendo goes, there is a HUGE nostalgia factor for me, but they aren't the end all.  For me, Sony issues I may have are fanboy stuff, and that sneering mentality of gloating I observed when I saw Sega go down.  I have strong dislike for that, so if I can tweak that, I will end up doing that.  Part of that is individuals who don't seem to know of videogames prior to the Playstation brand appearing, and thinking Sony is the end all and be all, when it isn't.  It is significant enough though, and the PS2 is a system to own for me and keep, because I have numerous retro game compilations on it.  The PS3 produced some of the top titles for me this generation, with myself being a big fan of Sackboy, the Uncharter series, and Infamous.  And I do have an interest in sales, or else, why would I be here?  

As for this thread, I get curious about the spin involved, and why the heck things get raved about?  I think the post about hyping and hoping others buy on, while you don't, is an interest insight, by the way.  But there is this trend, that leaves people disappointefd and brands things as a flop when it doesn't meet the self-generated hype.  

As for All-Stars, I think it is REALLY cool that Sony would mash up their characters.  BUT, i seriously wish they would do something different, or heck, borrow from Powerstone, or something else.  Smash Bros., at its core, is a 16 bit title.  This si fine, but couldn't Sony of put something new on the map?


What Sony Santamonica did with God of War Ascension is exactly what should've occured for Playstation Battle Royal. Everytime I see the multiplayer in that game I think, Sony should've just saved money and let Santa Monica make Allstars and put the characters in an arena and fashion like that game with the powerstone elements.

At least it would have its own unique style today, involving a game that isn't really patterned after much.  No one is doing Powersstone today.  I wish companies would see good games for their own merit, rather than go, "Gee, that sells, let's copy it... but of course tweak it enough so people don't think it is the same thing".

Done right, Sony could smack Smash Bros. now.  As of now, is All-Stars also supposed to get Smash Bros. fans to switch to the Playstation platform?


Thats the problem, when people see Nintendo they think quick gimmick to get people to like your brand more. It backfired. They need to start taking Nintendo seriously, even when it comes to these light hearted games that they make.



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Did the game stop selling?



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Dgc1808 said:
Did the game stop selling?

Do you see why it is going to get bundled, or what indications you have it will break 2 million in sales?

It is under 400K on the PS3 at this point.  Care to show where 1.6 additional million in sales is going to come from, for a platform that will likely be lead platform maybe a year or two more, with a number of additional releases?

Explain how breaking 2 million in sales will work now.



richardhutnik said:
Dgc1808 said:
Did the game stop selling?

Do you see why it is going to get bundled, or what indications you have it will break 2 million in sales?

It is under 400K on the PS3 at this point.  Care to show where 1.6 additional million in sales is going to come from, for a platform that will likely be lead platform maybe a year or two more, with a number of additional releases?

Explain how breaking 2 million in sales will work now.


What?

It's been one month. Who expected two million sales in 1 month? Chill. 

First 10 weeks of inFamous 1

Global First Ten Weeks (Units)

Week EndingWeekWeeklyChangeTotal
30th May 2009 1 263,199 N/A 263,199
06th June 2009 2 142,003 -46.0% 405,202
13th June 2009 3 81,727 -42.4% 486,929
20th June 2009 4 60,372 -26.1% 547,301
27th June 2009 5 48,687 -19.4% 595,988
04th July 2009 6 38,626 -20.7% 634,614
11th July 2009 7 35,653 -7.7% 670,267
18th July 2009 8 33,057 -7.3% 703,324
25th July 2009 9 30,934 -6.4% 734,258
01st August 2009 10 28,860 -6.7% 763,118

Way more front loaded. Week 5 for PSAS is still at ~ 70K while inFamous dropped quickly to ~50K and then 30K~ zone. People said inFamous 1 would likely cap at 1-1.5M. That game made it to 2.5M. 

PSAS, as many have said before, will rely on legs and word of mouth. Much like Demon's Souls and Valkyria Chronicles. Not to mention, those games didn't have digital sales to factor in. 



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Oh did someone realize so? And when did this release? I missed the updates after the E3 buzz.



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I'm glad it's not like powerstone..

Give the game more time to sell, people



Seems like people who don't own a Sony console or have no interest in the game are more into this game's sales. Just like other's making threads about xbox live sucks while they have intention of subscribing.

Lot of high predictions in the poll could have come from anyone and not just sony fans or prospective buyers. The game is a new ip and launched with more backlash than hype as people were comparing it to an established franchise (SSB).

Reasonable conservative predictions were that the game would sell over a million LTD. Could reach 1.5-2 with bundling and word of mouth depending on how good it is.

Also all you people saying Rol was right and what not. I respect you idolizing him as much i really can but he and some others really don't care at all about this game or anything outside their own comfort group. Threads like that this are just created to cause grief for Sony community here. I am not saying that MS and Nintendo fans are not targeted by Sony fans in creating flame threads with not much worth. All i am asking is you point out the faulty reasoning in your group if you want to respected. I am certainly ready to do my part.