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kumagawa on 14 December 2012

3 lists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_School_massacres

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Workplace_killings



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Metallicube on 14 December 2012

So sad..

See, this is the time of event that makes it hard for me to believe in a god, at least one that is not indifferent to human suffering. How something this evil can be allowed to happen is disheartening..



mrstickball on 14 December 2012
Metallicube said:
So sad..

See, this is the time of event that makes it hard for me to believe in a god, at least one that is not indifferent to human suffering. How something this evil can be allowed to happen is disheartening..


So you think God doesn't exist because people do evil things, really?

God isn't indifferent to human suffering. That is why murder is against His commandments.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Kasz216 on 14 December 2012
Augen said:
Kasz216 said:
Though if anyone cares about actual causes rather then straw man arguments back and forth. That's one to consider.


Again with the numbers being so low, it's hard to find a pattern with any statistical certainty.

The Economic downturn would be a likely possibility... again assuming it's not just random.


Correct me if I am wrong, but overall crime statistics have been steadily declinging for the past 40 years in the US.  

From the discussion how various crimes are categorized can distort or confuse data.  I think our perception of crime plays a massive role in how we view society with the intensity of the present magnifying concerns.

On the topic, this is just so very sad and my thoughts are with the children and the families.  I will never understand such senseless violence.

More like last 20 I believe.

Still... these kinds of crimes don't fit "regular" crime profiles or pathologies.

You would have to assume there would have to be situations for such a person to be "born".

 

Which is why the gun arguement is distracting and well stupid.

Does anyone actually believe that proximity to a gun suddenly makes someone say "Hey lets go shoot up a school/my workplace/mall!"

There has to be something in society that more or less triggers these people.  Put in gun control, and it's not going to change anything, those people will just get the guns they need however they need to... pretty eaisly.  I mean, i bet I could buy a gun illegally given about a weekends time.  (Not that i'd want one.)


It's interesting too that this is argueably coming at a time where serial killers are shrinking

 

(2000's will likely be higher as more people get arrested later on.)

 

Which is weird.  You'd expect both to grow together. 



Max King of the Wild on 14 December 2012
arcane_chaos said:

the thing that saddens me is that in recent memory we've had
The Arizona shooting
Aurora Theater shotting
2 mall shootings
and now this

and yet no real talk about gun control/ban WTF!?



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html

Knife control talks now please!



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TadpoleJackson on 14 December 2012

Guy was obsessive compulsive and was called "odd" by his neighbors



Flanneryaug on 14 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
arcane_chaos said:

the thing that saddens me is that in recent memory we've had
The Arizona shooting
Aurora Theater shotting
2 mall shootings
and now this

and yet no real talk about gun control/ban WTF!?



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html

Knife control talks now please!

Read the article and you will notice two things.

1) The guy attacking with the knife didn't kill anyone.

2) Most of the people injured were not seriously injured.

Unlike the guy with the gun.



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Max King of the Wild on 14 December 2012
radishhead said:
Isn't this the 3rd shooting in America this week?



Uh... try more in the hundreds...



BenVTrigger on 14 December 2012
mrstickball said:
snyps said:
No media outlet even tries to explain why.. No of them even ask why... Weird


They don't want to. They want to push easy scapegoats as the reason for such things,.  Rather than talk about a person's motives and why (or how) someone could be that evil.


Agreed.  They want to try and brush it off as other things and not accept the real fact.

 

There is real evil in this world.  Not everything can be explained with politically correct statements.  This is evil, nothing more nothing less.



Max King of the Wild on 14 December 2012
Flanneryaug said:
Max King of the Wild said:
arcane_chaos said:

the thing that saddens me is that in recent memory we've had
The Arizona shooting
Aurora Theater shotting
2 mall shootings
and now this

and yet no real talk about gun control/ban WTF!?



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html

Knife control talks now please!

Read the article and you will notice two things.

1) The guy attacking with the knife didn't kill anyone.

2) Most of the people injured were not seriously injured.

Unlike the guy with the gun.



Wow... thats a poor argument. Just because nobody died doesn't mean that it isn't serious. Also, I don't know why nobody died but I guarentee you if the man really cared all 22 of his victims would be dead