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Kasz216 on 14 December 2012
Sal.Paradise said:
Kasz216 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Kasz216 said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Kasz216 said:
 

hint.  If you do look through it.  You'll see it's about 60 total mass shootings in the last 20 years for ALL areas.  Not just schools.

I got that number from the great right wing conspiracy machine known as Mother Jones.

 

Believe me... mother Jones isn't going to understate the number, because they want to ban guns more then pretty much any group who'd bother to figure out about how many mass shootings have happened in the last 30 years.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying 'all areas'? And what are you counting as 'mass shootings' here, is that the reason for having such a lower figure? 

 

I just did 'look through it' and  I count 76 school shootings going back to 2000, so 76 in 12 years. 

 

Teacher goes into a school with a gun.  Shoots antoher teacher.   Is arrested.

That would count as a school shooting. 

A Mass killer is like in this case.  Where the person tries to kill a bunch of people.  

 

Right as I thought, what you're saying is your numbers were only accounting for 'mass shootings' where a large number of people are killed, whereas my ones were blanket 'school shootings' figures that count every shooting at a school. 

Understood. So.

76 school shoootings in 12 years 

60 mass shootings in 30 years, from your source

I'm going to have to compare these figures to other country's now!


Don't forget to divide by population... and make sure you have a full data set.

I imagine shootings IN schools will be higher though then most states... and will correlate about perfectly with the US's higher crime rates.


Mass murders though? 



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kumagawa on 14 December 2012
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List of USA killers

 

 

4. Hamilton, Thomas Watt, 43 March 13 1996 Dunblane U.K.
17
13-15
 F Committed suicide
2. Ryan, Michael Robert, 27° Aug. 19 1987 Hungerford U.K.
16
15
 F A Committed suicide
Also shot his dog
9. Bird, Derrick, 52° June 2 2010 Copeland, Cumbria U.K.
12
11
 F Committed suicide
86. Sartin, Robert James, 22 April 30 1989 Monkseaton U.K.
1
14
 F Found not guilty by reason of insanity [73]
87. Tvrdon, Matthew, 31 Oct. 19 2012 Cardiff U.K.
1
13
 MV Arrested [74]
88. Griffiths, James, 34 July 15 1969 Glasgow U.K.
1
12
 F Shot by police [76]
96. Morgan, David Cedric, 30 Dec. 8 1994 Birmingham U.K.
0
15
 M

Sentenced to life imprisonment

List of UK killers

 

 

 

USA has only 5 times the population of the UK yet 18 times the number of mass killings



BenVTrigger on 14 December 2012

Confirmed 20 children dead between the ages of 5 -10

Unbelievably horrible and sad.....



ocean-1984 on 14 December 2012

Probably still no need for gun laws... This is like third shooting in murica this year (that I heard of in Uk news) Sad. Feel sory for families.



Kasz216 on 14 December 2012
 


First off... you could of avoided spaming the website and instead just posted the numbers and where you got your data from.


Second off... where are you getting your data from?

Looks like Wikipedia lists... but a lot of those under the US aren't under the Wikipedia list.

 

Third off... it's good you chose the UK and not a number of other countries... otherwise...  (also you know, the list is unfinished.)

Finally.. just looking at "Rampage killings" part here but...

since 1982...

it looks like 31 to 6.  Which is 5.1 times.

Edit, lets just add in school shootings

UK 5ince 1982. 

 

Looking at it though, looks like Mother Jones was wrong on the amount of shootings... practically everywhere.  More common then I would of thought, but still not really enough for statistical significance.



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leatherhat on 14 December 2012
Kasz216 said:
Also, I'm curious why they don't just put armed police officers in schools.

I could of swore my school had armed police officer.

Maybe there holster was empty though, never really cared about guns.


We had one in our school too, he did the typical DARE stuff and for sure had a real gun. 



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yo_john117 on 14 December 2012

That is such a disgusting, horrible thing to do. I can't imagine how messed up someone has to be to commit such a despicable act.

Seriously, teachers need to start packing



Augen on 14 December 2012
Kasz216 said:
Though if anyone cares about actual causes rather then straw man arguments back and forth. That's one to consider.


Again with the numbers being so low, it's hard to find a pattern with any statistical certainty.

The Economic downturn would be a likely possibility... again assuming it's not just random.


Correct me if I am wrong, but overall crime statistics have been steadily declinging for the past 40 years in the US.  

From the discussion how various crimes are categorized can distort or confuse data.  I think our perception of crime plays a massive role in how we view society with the intensity of the present magnifying concerns.

On the topic, this is just so very sad and my thoughts are with the children and the families.  I will never understand such senseless violence.



mrstickball on 14 December 2012
snyps said:
No media outlet even tries to explain why.. No of them even ask why... Weird


They don't want to. They want to push easy scapegoats as the reason for such things, rather than talk about a person's motives and why (or how) someone could be that evil.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

deskpro2k3 on 14 December 2012

the shooter also killed his mother?