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killerzX on 13 December 2012
Devil_Survivor said:
killerzX said:
riderz13371 said:
"Want to drink a beer? ID Please."
"Want to purchase a gun? Will you be paying in cash?"

Amurica.


uh... thats not true. if an if a gun shop did that, they and you would be violating the law.

inorder to purchase a rifle, you havw to be 18. for a hand gun, you have to be 21.

oh yeah because gun show dealers never break the law right? Maybe we should look at underage people that got guns from gun shows like the Columbine shooters.

you just said it. if gun dealers sell to underage people, they are breaking the law. meaning its illegal.

i cold easily say because parents never give their kids alcohol right? they are breaking the law.



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killerzX on 13 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?

unfortunately law abiding citizens cant, its against the law... but that didnt seem to stop the columbine shooter, virginia tech shooter, etc. but it did stop law abiding citizens from doing so.

the almost always a common theme among the mass shootings.... they all happen in "gun free" zones.

And you are saying it would be better if they had guns at the scene at that point? We are not perfect you know, as an innocent person is surely more likely to be killed if everyone carried a gun, everyone makes mistakes at times. Keeping guns away makes for a safer society

thats is just untrue, and factually unsupported. if responsible adults at schools (ie teachers faculty members) were allowed their 2nd amendment rights, yeah, you better believe i think schools would be safer.

and no keeping guns away, only makes criminals safer. it leaves innocents defensless.

please watch this video. i cant figure out how to imbed so heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo



Kasz216 on 14 December 2012
Devil_Survivor said:
ninetailschris said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Devil_Survivor said:
thismeintiel said:
Devil_Survivor said:
Here's what I say about this; countries with stricter gun laws have less gun deaths; so until the state and federal governments decide to stand up to the NRA and the gun lobby this will keep happening with a high frequency.

Care to explain Switzerland?


I would if you had explained what you mean extactly by saying just Switzerland. Do mean they have tough gun laws and still high gun crime?


No, virtually no gun laws with many people owning them and no gun violence. Also, there is a link earlier in threads that show UK gun violence increase as gun laws increase and gun violence decreasing as gun laws decrease. Also, Illinois is the last state to include conceal and carry law but Chicago is on the top of the list of gun violence

The irony is the Oregon killer got his gun illegally so nothing with gun control would have stopped this.

the irony.


How do you know he got it not legal?

By being informed.  

Countless scienfitic studies have shown that when you take out as many confounding vairables as possible, more guns tends to actually decrease crime.  (That is with long term studies that show changes when gun laws are put in place and removed.. and comparison of similar areas where one gets gun control laws and the other doesn't.  Or one area removes such laws.)

For example, you were talking about countires gun ownership and violent crime right.

US states are closer to each other then the countries in the world are correct?  Far less confouding variables and social differences.

Well when you correlate gun ownership and violent crime in states you get.

Internationally is a pain because well... different cultures and such, and depending on which countries you use you get differnet results.

Generally people pick a few countries with low murder rates and low gun rates and compare it to the US.

Now to further blow your mind... If you use all OCED countries you get something that looks like this.



Jumpin on 14 December 2012

Now what happens when you cut out all the rural areas and just focus on urban centers? Let's take a look at an urban area with more gun shops per person, and more guns per household than any other urban location in the united states:  http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/compton/crime/



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Kasz216 on 14 December 2012
Jumpin said:

Now what happens when you cut out all the rural areas and just focus on urban centers? Let's take a look at an urban area with more gun shops per person, and more guns per household than any other urban location in the united states:  http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/compton/crime/

congradulations...you went from a number of well defined stastically defined correlations, and have replaced it with..

one incomplete datapoint that isn't all sourced.  (Nevermind the fact that California gun law is... quite strict.)



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Max King of the Wild on 14 December 2012

My mom lives in Illinois. When the ruling came out she posted "time to move out of Illinois." I said it might be time for her to move out of the country then... She praises Switzerland all the time and I told her to look up their gun laws lol.



the2real4mafol on 14 December 2012
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?

unfortunately law abiding citizens cant, its against the law... but that didnt seem to stop the columbine shooter, virginia tech shooter, etc. but it did stop law abiding citizens from doing so.

the almost always a common theme among the mass shootings.... they all happen in "gun free" zones.

And you are saying it would be better if they had guns at the scene at that point? We are not perfect you know, as an innocent person is surely more likely to be killed if everyone carried a gun, everyone makes mistakes at times. Keeping guns away makes for a safer society

thats is just untrue, and factually unsupported. if responsible adults at schools (ie teachers faculty members) were allowed their 2nd amendment rights, yeah, you better believe i think schools would be safer.

and no keeping guns away, only makes criminals safer. it leaves innocents defensless.

please watch this video. i cant figure out how to imbed so heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo

Good video, but It didn't change my mind. I think there should at least be a limit to amount of guns, someone can have. No more than 2 guns, no more than 2 magazines worth of ammo at one time i think. Good for you, that its a right in your country but there has to be a limit someone on this, guns are designed to kill, nothing more. You don't see people owning nukes or anything like that do you? 



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weaveworld on 14 December 2012

Might wanna make another thread and start the whole discussion again, i believe there was another shooting this time at an elementary school in Newton, Connecticut.
More sadness...



killerzX on 14 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?

unfortunately law abiding citizens cant, its against the law... but that didnt seem to stop the columbine shooter, virginia tech shooter, etc. but it did stop law abiding citizens from doing so.

the almost always a common theme among the mass shootings.... they all happen in "gun free" zones.

And you are saying it would be better if they had guns at the scene at that point? We are not perfect you know, as an innocent person is surely more likely to be killed if everyone carried a gun, everyone makes mistakes at times. Keeping guns away makes for a safer society

thats is just untrue, and factually unsupported. if responsible adults at schools (ie teachers faculty members) were allowed their 2nd amendment rights, yeah, you better believe i think schools would be safer.

and no keeping guns away, only makes criminals safer. it leaves innocents defensless.

please watch this video. i cant figure out how to imbed so heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo

Good video, but It didn't change my mind. I think there should at least be a limit to amount of guns, someone can have. No more than 2 guns, no more than 2 magazines worth of ammo at one time i think. Good for you, that its a right in your country but there has to be a limit someone on this, guns are designed to kill, nothing more. You don't see people owning nukes or anything like that do you? 

no they arent, they are designed to fire projectiles.



the2real4mafol on 17 December 2012
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?

unfortunately law abiding citizens cant, its against the law... but that didnt seem to stop the columbine shooter, virginia tech shooter, etc. but it did stop law abiding citizens from doing so.

the almost always a common theme among the mass shootings.... they all happen in "gun free" zones.

And you are saying it would be better if they had guns at the scene at that point? We are not perfect you know, as an innocent person is surely more likely to be killed if everyone carried a gun, everyone makes mistakes at times. Keeping guns away makes for a safer society

thats is just untrue, and factually unsupported. if responsible adults at schools (ie teachers faculty members) were allowed their 2nd amendment rights, yeah, you better believe i think schools would be safer.

and no keeping guns away, only makes criminals safer. it leaves innocents defensless.

please watch this video. i cant figure out how to imbed so heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo

Good video, but It didn't change my mind. I think there should at least be a limit to amount of guns, someone can have. No more than 2 guns, no more than 2 magazines worth of ammo at one time i think. Good for you, that its a right in your country but there has to be a limit someone on this, guns are designed to kill, nothing more. You don't see people owning nukes or anything like that do you? 

no they arent, they are designed to fire projectiles.

and those "projectiles" can kill things



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