Shooting in Oregon mall!

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Devil_Survivor said:

ninetailschris said:

Max King of the Wild said:

Devil_Survivor said:

thismeintiel said:

Devil_Survivor said:
Here's what I say about this; countries with stricter gun laws have less gun deaths; so until the state and federal governments decide to stand up to the NRA and the gun lobby this will keep happening with a high frequency.

Care to explain Switzerland?

I would if you had explained what you mean extactly by saying just Switzerland. Do mean they have tough gun laws and still high gun crime?

No, virtually no gun laws with many people owning them and no gun violence. Also, there is a link earlier in threads that show UK gun violence increase as gun laws increase and gun violence decreasing as gun laws decrease. Also, Illinois is the last state to include conceal and carry law but Chicago is on the top of the list of gun violence

The irony is the Oregon killer got his gun illegally so nothing with gun control would have stopped this.

the irony.

How do you know he got it not legal?

By being informed.  

Countless scienfitic studies have shown that when you take out as many confounding vairables as possible, more guns tends to actually decrease crime.  (That is with long term studies that show changes when gun laws are put in place and removed.. and comparison of similar areas where one gets gun control laws and the other doesn't.  Or one area removes such laws.)

For example, you were talking about countires gun ownership and violent crime right.

US states are closer to each other then the countries in the world are correct?  Far less confouding variables and social differences.

Well when you correlate gun ownership and violent crime in states you get.

Internationally is a pain because well... different cultures and such, and depending on which countries you use you get differnet results.

Generally people pick a few countries with low murder rates and low gun rates and compare it to the US.

Now to further blow your mind... If you use all OCED countries you get something that looks like this.