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Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
burninmylight said:
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
The U.S gun laws are a joke.... You're all to caught up in your amendments and thinking that laws and times never evolve. The gun amendment was fine back when it was written, the world is a much different place now. Something people need to realize.


you realize murders, violents crimes, etc, are decreasing every year, and have reached like 50 year lows, all while gun ownership is at an all time high?

gun sales are skyrocketing, especially sales of what you would call  "assault rifles". gun sales reached an all time high in a year, this year (2012), gun sales this november, sset all time high. so many sales occured on black friday, that the BAFTE background check system crached, with how many calls we being place by FFLs.

it seems your theory is incorrect


Sources please.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9670585/US-guns-sales-soar-after-Barack-Obamas-re-election.html

quick google search helps


I knew you'd say that, but the burden of proof is on you. Do you research every single statement or theory of every poster on every message board you read when that person should have their sources ready to go in the first place?


No, but if I question someones credibility I would certainly try to do a quick search to see if I come to the same findings as them before I ask for a source.



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Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.



the2real4mafol on 12 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?



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Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?


Sorry, I didn't make that post clear. They are restricted in both cases. You can't carry them in schools. There are other buildings but I'm not exactly sure what other ones.



the2real4mafol on 12 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
Guns shouldn't be carried in public, they should be there for leisure only.

Even with conceal and carry permits there are still laws where guns are allowed. Any government buildings or schools.

Why would you carry a gun to school for?


Sorry, I didn't make that post clear. They are restricted in both cases. You can't carry them in schools. There are other buildings but I'm not exactly sure what other ones.

Ok i though that didn't make any sense. But i stand by my original point.



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Kasz216 on 12 December 2012
spaceguy said:
Galaki said:
animegaming said:
 we need better gun control

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.



People with guns kill people. All we are asking is for tests to make sure you are mentally stable to own a gun.

The mentally unstable will either just steal a gun or buy one on the black market.

Which coincidentally is what happened in this case.

Additionally, mental health isn't really something that's a constant.  Some people are always crazy... not most people though.

Mental stability tests likely won't solve anything.


Edit: I mean i've got nothing against that, but i'm not sure if it'd help or be consitutional.  Just seems like a law of vanity mostly.



Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Galaki said:
animegaming said:
 we need better gun control

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.



People with guns kill people. All we are asking is for tests to make sure you are mentally stable to own a gun.

The mentally unstable will either just steal a gun or buy one on the black market.

Which coincidentally is what happened in this case.

Additionally, mental health isn't really something that's a constant.  Some people are always crazy... not most people though.

Mental stability tests likely won't solve anything.



I agree, when I first read that post I was like, "What about the people who get severly depressed because of serious shit going on in their lives. They would not get the okay to buy a gun even if it's years later and everything turned out great." Because once you are black listed you would be forever on that list unless you jump through damn near impossible hoops to get off the list



burninmylight on 12 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
The U.S gun laws are a joke.... You're all to caught up in your amendments and thinking that laws and times never evolve. The gun amendment was fine back when it was written, the world is a much different place now. Something people need to realize.


you realize murders, violents crimes, etc, are decreasing every year, and have reached like 50 year lows, all while gun ownership is at an all time high?

gun sales are skyrocketing, especially sales of what you would call  "assault rifles". gun sales reached an all time high in a year, this year (2012), gun sales this november, sset all time high. so many sales occured on black friday, that the BAFTE background check system crached, with how many calls we being place by FFLs.

it seems your theory is incorrect


Sources please.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9670585/US-guns-sales-soar-after-Barack-Obamas-re-election.html

quick google search helps


I knew you'd say that, but the burden of proof is on you. Do you research every single statement or theory of every poster on every message board you read when that person should have their sources ready to go in the first place?


No, but if I question someones credibility I would certainly try to do a quick search to see if I come to the same findings as them before I ask for a source.


I originally said, "Sources please." That doesn't necessarily mean I'm questioning your credibility. It could mean that I want to learn more about the subject, or to read the exact same report you did and find its context. I know there are a lot of posters here ready to rip you a new one every time you state something not at least 99.78 percent in line with their views, but not everyone is out to get you.



Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
burninmylight said:
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
killerzX said:
 

 

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I originally said, "Sources please." That doesn't necessarily mean I'm questioning your credibility. It could mean that I want to learn more about the subject, or to read the exact same report you did and find its context. I know there are a lot of posters here ready to rip you a new one every time you state something not at least 99.78 percent in line with their views, but not everyone is out to get you.

Oh well if that's the case then he was saying he got it on a pro-gun site. Maybe the NRA has this information. And I apologize for the quick characterizing.



killerzX on 12 December 2012
burninmylight said:
killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
The U.S gun laws are a joke.... You're all to caught up in your amendments and thinking that laws and times never evolve. The gun amendment was fine back when it was written, the world is a much different place now. Something people need to realize.


you realize murders, violents crimes, etc, are decreasing every year, and have reached like 50 year lows, all while gun ownership is at an all time high?

gun sales are skyrocketing, especially sales of what you would call  "assault rifles". gun sales reached an all time high in a year, this year (2012), gun sales this november, sset all time high. so many sales occured on black friday, that the BAFTE background check system crached, with how many calls we being place by FFLs.

it seems your theory is incorrect


Sources please.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

http://news.discovery.com/human/violent-crime-statistics-120612.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-black-friday-gun-sales-cripple-fbis-background-checking-system/