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To me the Wii was liking catching lightning in a bottle. It was something completely different that captures the attention of both gamers and non-gamers. Personally, it just wasn't for me. And even though Microsoft and Sony copied the motion control idea... I don't know many owners of either system that like or use these features that much.

But the Wii U doesn't have the same hand to play. When I kept hearing that it was a big deal that you could play the games while people watch T.V. all I could think was, most people have multiple t.v.s and handheld devices now anyway. Honestly the Wii U is basically just a DS where the top screen is the T.V. And it's obvious the core gamers are being targeted by it which is a good road for Nintendo to take but most core gamers have been playing 360 and PS3 for years now. So just matching that hardware is a questionable move when new systems will launch soon.

Reggie can say "pretty pictures" don't matter but they said the same thing about HD and online infrastructure. They always say something doesn't matter then scramble to catch up later. For a company so revolutionary they sure are blind to the obvious sometimes.

I guess what I'm saying is that, in my opinion, I don't think the Wii U will really appeal to people as much as the Wii. Except for the hardcore Nintendo loyalist who will eat it up. But I can't see too many 360/PS3 gamers ditching 720/PS4.

As far as the Wii U controller goes, it is cool in theory but just having it built in to the system means developers are going to feel pressured to add gimmicky little things to it. I love both the DS and 3DS but I cringe every time some perfectly fine game asks me to pull out the stylus and draw something on the screen, or blow in the mic or tilt my system all around like a doofus. And most of the time these things subtract not add to my opinion of the game.

But I wish Nintendo all the luck in the world, just wish Reggie wouldn't say some arrogant foolish things but that's just the way he is.



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RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:
RolStoppable said:

He's obviously talking in the context of "majority", not "kitler53".

It's worth considering that the 360 and PS3 had very rough starts, causing both companies to lose billions just to keep them in the game. What ultimately saved them was third party exclusivity, in the sense of multiplatform games not making their way to the Wii. This is pretty much what Microsoft and Sony have to hope for again, because games sell systems.

at 138.4M ... i am in the majority.

I said "it's worth considering...", meaning that you should have read my whole post.

i read your whole post, i just didn't find your writing insightful, interesting, or even relevant. 



He's a little too confident. Sony and Microsoft have built a strong fanbase over the years and what ultimately matters is games. If PS4 and X720 get Battlefield 4 and Modern Warfare 4, shooter addicts will rush to buy. He seems to think power and graphics don't matter at all. I think he is wrong : people like impressive-looking games. Quality graphics and animation are equally part of the experience as what you do with your controller. Sony and Microsoft don't necessarily need further innovation, they just need the best games. E3 2013 will tell who gets them.





Gamerace said:

He is right, it is all about the innovation but I just don't find WiiU very innovative. 

The best things about WiiU are the ability to play off the controller when the TV is in use and the Miiverse. 

Miiverse is easily duplicatable with a software update even on existing consoles.  

So is the ability to play off-screen - in fact it's already done to a limited degree.   The next Xbox will probably allow it with a tablet + wired or bluetooth controller.  PS4 may allow you to stream your games to any TV/PC/Tablet in the house and still use your controller to play.   I'm speculating a bit here but this is easy for them to do.   And considering a real tablet is infintely more useful and handy than a gamepad, that will be the preferable option for most people.   Nextbox and PS4 would most likely have the horsepower to allow up to 4 people to play with tablet/controller as well, instead of the 1 (or poss 2) that WiiU allows.

So I wonder if Reggie really wants them to react to what Nintendo is doing. 


Thing is, what Nintendo has brought with Wii U wasn`t present and has changed the relation we have online, out TVs and between players.
It`s not that it can`t be duplicated, or even duplicated in a better way - your example of 4 gamepads being allowed - it`s that it was Nintendo who did and it will be them who will be known to introduced it as an integral part of the Wii U. Smartglass or an option like that isn`t the same thing because it`s not part of the package and there might be lag on connecting console and external device and tv.

Move is a better product than Wii remote plus, but that didn`t help SOny because it didn`t change the essential, whilst Kinect did and that`s what helped it.

Sony and MS might do what Wii U does but if they only do it better people won`t be amazed.



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They have nothing to worry about. Wii U isn't doing anything that revolutionary. It's not selling out like the original Wii either.



His analogy isn't wrong from a business perspective, which I have mentioned in another thread before, I'll say this again, you will see multi-plat games on Wii U in the 8th gen, I'm certain due to all the new engines being extremely scalable, only the exclusives will truly set them apart, and Nintendo has the most famous and profitable 1st party exclusives compared to MS(nothing but Halo really, maybe Gears) or Sony(good ones that'd warrant my next purchase depending on price.)



VGKing said:
They have nothing to worry about. Wii U isn't doing anything that revolutionary. It's not selling out like the original Wii either.


I'd fucking hope not(the selling out part,) if they haven't learned their lesson by now, I'd be shocked. thought good luck finding a deluxe, doesn't exist in the Seattle area.



dahuman said:
VGKing said:
They have nothing to worry about. Wii U isn't doing anything that revolutionary. It's not selling out like the original Wii either.


I'd fucking hope not(the selling out part,) if they haven't learned their lesson by now, I'd be shocked. thought good luck finding a deluxe, doesn't exist in the Seattle area.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nintendo-Wii-U-32GB-Deluxe-Console-w-GamePad-Nintendo-Land-Black/21944098

You can enter "Seattle" there and find plenty of available.

Here is a map for you, in case you can't find the stores.

http://local.slippymap.com/walmart/WA/SEATTLE/index.html



RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:

i read your whole post, i just didn't find your writing insightful, interesting, or even relevant. 

It certainly became relevant when you claimed to belong to the majority in response to it. The 360 and PS3 didn't sell because they produced prettier pictures. They sold because they were getting all the big third party games while the Wii got nothing.


ps360 got the big third party exclusives because ps360 had enough power to let developers create new ideas into their gameplay while the wii's stagnant hardward stifled their ability to be creative and innovative in their way.  nintendo only has themselves to blame... give the finger to the industry expect to see just as move love in return.