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runqvist said:
dahuman said:
VGKing said:
They have nothing to worry about. Wii U isn't doing anything that revolutionary. It's not selling out like the original Wii either.


I'd fucking hope not(the selling out part,) if they haven't learned their lesson by now, I'd be shocked. thought good luck finding a deluxe, doesn't exist in the Seattle area.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nintendo-Wii-U-32GB-Deluxe-Console-w-GamePad-Nintendo-Land-Black/21944098

You can enter "Seattle" there and find plenty of available.

Here is a map for you, in case you can't find the stores.

http://local.slippymap.com/walmart/WA/SEATTLE/index.html

I'm happy that they are able to have constant supplies this time, it always pisses me off to see people selling those things on eBay.



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dahuman said:
runqvist said:
dahuman said:
VGKing said:
They have nothing to worry about. Wii U isn't doing anything that revolutionary. It's not selling out like the original Wii either.


I'd fucking hope not(the selling out part,) if they haven't learned their lesson by now, I'd be shocked. thought good luck finding a deluxe, doesn't exist in the Seattle area.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nintendo-Wii-U-32GB-Deluxe-Console-w-GamePad-Nintendo-Land-Black/21944098

You can enter "Seattle" there and find plenty of available.

Here is a map for you, in case you can't find the stores.

http://local.slippymap.com/walmart/WA/SEATTLE/index.html

I'm happy that they are able to have constant supplies this time, it always pisses me off to see people selling those things on eBay.


So, they do exist in Seattle area after all? I'm not sure what can be considered (city?) area in that region.



runqvist said:
dahuman said:
runqvist said:
dahuman said:
VGKing said:
They have nothing to worry about. Wii U isn't doing anything that revolutionary. It's not selling out like the original Wii either.


I'd fucking hope not(the selling out part,) if they haven't learned their lesson by now, I'd be shocked. thought good luck finding a deluxe, doesn't exist in the Seattle area.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nintendo-Wii-U-32GB-Deluxe-Console-w-GamePad-Nintendo-Land-Black/21944098

You can enter "Seattle" there and find plenty of available.

Here is a map for you, in case you can't find the stores.

http://local.slippymap.com/walmart/WA/SEATTLE/index.html

I'm happy that they are able to have constant supplies this time, it always pisses me off to see people selling those things on eBay.


So, they do exist in Seattle area after all? I'm not sure what can be considered (city?) area in that region.


I guess? New shipments prolly came in like Reggie said since I stay away from Black Friday and Cyber Monday weekends.



dahuman said:


I guess? New shipments prolly came in like Reggie said since I stay away from Black Friday and Cyber Monday weekends.


I guess I am a lucky man. I find things that don't exist according to vgchartz users. Not to mention reggie, but that is unfair since he likes to lie.



Andrespetmonkey said:
cunger said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

If "innovation" means another type of controller I don't really care. It's cool, but I don't see how it makes anything more fun. I'd rather just have an altered version on the controller I already love and then have some peripherals that experiment a little more.

In this day and age software probably counts for more anyway (OS and its features, UI etc.).


It's not about a controller tha makes things more fun so much as it is about a controller that allows you to play your games more often. It's nice having a console that I can play games on even when the TV is being used for other purposes. It means I can have the console in the living room rather than in my bedroom where my ps4 will go. That alone is innovative. If anything else comes of the controller that is only icing on something that is already a cake.

That sounds cool, but I imagine I'd hardly ever use it. It's just not a big deal. And if somebody bothers you about using the TV while you game so much then surely you'll just move your set-up somewhere else. 

Don't most people have multiple TVs anyway? Isn't playing on the TV preferable? The range also sounds like an issue... I've heard something like 20 feet from Ninty but less than half that from others (if it is indeed 20 feet than that's fine). 

I don't mean to sound like a downer, I know there are positives to the Gamepad and I know it has potential, but it doesn't feel nearly as significant as the Wiimote was for example. 

It's true that it's not as much of a game changer to gameplay as the wii remote was. But I think many gamers felt that the wii was a change to gameplay that they didn't want. Nintendo has a more core friendly system this time..

There is a lot the system can do that you can't do on other systems but I'm not sure how innovative these features are since Nintendo has done them before on the ds to a great degree of success. It's innovative to do these things in a console I guess. I could list them but it would probably just be easier for you to google some top ds reviews and see what is being done.

IMO, this is going to be a games focused system rather than a gimick focused system. If you love your games you can play your games right away when the main tv is being used. No you don't have to move the system across the house when you just want to boot up a game and play. That would be lame. Microsoft consoles you don't want to touch let alone move rooms they reside in for fear of RROD.

The fact is that the system is going to do well.  Nintendo only shoots for 5 to 6 year cylce anyways and should be coming out with their next system when the nextbox and ps4 are still 3/4 year away from their next system. Nintendo has a great window of opportunity to provide a unique feature set, a mainstream pricepoint, and the best first party games they've ever been able to make.

It's Nextbox and PS4 i'm more concerned about right simply because they haven't proven anything to me. Nintendo has proven that they can make a gorgoes looking Pikmin and I know i've got many great first party games to look forward to. I'm not convinced that next gen graphics will blow me away like previous generations have. The Unreal 4 engine demo sure didn't blow me away...  The ball is in their court right now and I'm expecting to be blown away.



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runqvist said:
dahuman said:


I guess? New shipments prolly came in like Reggie said since I stay away from Black Friday and Cyber Monday weekends.


I guess I am a lucky man. I find things that don't exist according to vgchartz users. Not to mention reggie, but that is unfair since he likes to lie.


Yeah well this was based on last week, I'm glad more people can enjoy it now and I'm just happy the eBay people won't be making good profits leeching off this stuff. Also yes he's a lier, he even said BLOPS2 runs the best on Wii U, typical stupid PR BS you get from companies.



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DélioPT said:
Gamerace said:

He is right, it is all about the innovation but I just don't find WiiU very innovative. 

The best things about WiiU are the ability to play off the controller when the TV is in use and the Miiverse. 

Miiverse is easily duplicatable with a software update even on existing consoles.  

So is the ability to play off-screen - in fact it's already done to a limited degree.   The next Xbox will probably allow it with a tablet + wired or bluetooth controller.  PS4 may allow you to stream your games to any TV/PC/Tablet in the house and still use your controller to play.   I'm speculating a bit here but this is easy for them to do.   And considering a real tablet is infintely more useful and handy than a gamepad, that will be the preferable option for most people.   Nextbox and PS4 would most likely have the horsepower to allow up to 4 people to play with tablet/controller as well, instead of the 1 (or poss 2) that WiiU allows.

So I wonder if Reggie really wants them to react to what Nintendo is doing. 


Thing is, what Nintendo has brought with Wii U wasn`t present and has changed the relation we have online, out TVs and between players.
It`s not that it can`t be duplicated, or even duplicated in a better way - your example of 4 gamepads being allowed - it`s that it was Nintendo who did and it will be them who will be known to introduced it as an integral part of the Wii U. Smartglass or an option like that isn`t the same thing because it`s not part of the package and there might be lag on connecting console and external device and tv.

Move is a better product than Wii remote plus, but that didn`t help SOny because it didn`t change the essential, whilst Kinect did and that`s what helped it.

Sony and MS might do what Wii U does but if they only do it better people won`t be amazed.

Being first is irrelevant is it doesn't grab people's attention.   There were smartphones before iPhone, there were tablets before iPad but in both cases it was Apple that almost single-handedly created those markets.  There were MMOs before WoW but WoW is the only one that was truly mattered (scription model).

Wii worked because Wii Sports wowed people - gamers and non-gamers alike.  Nintendogs and Brain Training grabbed people's attention and largely drove DS sales to an expanded audience. 

WiiU - so far at least - is not creating the same kind of draw.  And unlike Wii which enjoyed 4 years without direct competition, WiiU has competition immediately out of the gate - Smartglass/Vita on one hand, tablets on the other.   More kids 6-12 want an iPad than a WiiU and that percentage difference increases with age.   Next year (or two) MS/Sony will release their own next gen systems.  If WiiU's tablet gaming is where it's at, they'll launch with an answer to WiiU's gamepad.    There won't be any four year grace like Wii got.

If they come out with better online social network (probable), better 2nd screen options (possible) and better graphics (without question) then WiiU becomes nearly irrelavent in a year.   Moreover IF MS (or Sony) out-innovate Nintendo, WiiU will be quickly forgotten.   Nintendo played this round too safe.

However, the real threat is from Apple/Android not MS/Sony.   Apple is a master disruptor.  They totally disrupted and then dominated the music industry, Disrupted and then dominated the cell phone industry and now tablets have disrupted the games industry.   If Jobs hadn't passed on, I'd say it was fait accompli but Apple minus Jobs isn't the same.   Still, Nintendo/MS/Sony have their next gen systems to try to turn the tide that's already begun.



 

Nintendo moved and released an affordable console, its competitions time to make their move, i dont see the deal, Reggie is right as (mostly) always ;)

also
Dahuman, youre so cute being so kind with such a hater, i would recommend you not losing your time with him and his accolades



cunger said:

It's true that it's not as much of a game changer to gameplay as the wii remote was. But I think many gamers felt that the wii was a change to gameplay that they didn't want. Nintendo has a more core friendly system this time..

There is a lot the system can do that you can't do on other systems but I'm not sure how innovative these features are since Nintendo has done them before on the ds to a great degree of success. It's innovative to do these things in a console I guess. I could list them but it would probably just be easier for you to google some top ds reviews and see what is being done.

IMO, this is going to be a games focused system rather than a gimick focused system. If you love your games you can play your games right away when the main tv is being used. No you don't have to move the system across the house when you just want to boot up a game and play. That would be lame. Microsoft consoles you don't want to touch let alone move rooms they reside in for fear of RROD.

I don't know anyone who moves their systems around frequently, so this is kind of like fixing a problem that doesn't exist. Again, being able to play around the house... well it's cool that it can be done, but it'll hardly ever be done for most gamers. (I've talked about it in the previous post). 

The fact is that the system is going to do well.  Nintendo only shoots for 5 to 6 year cylce anyways and should be coming out with their next system when the nextbox and ps4 are still 3/4 year away from their next system. Nintendo has a great window of opportunity to provide a unique feature set, a mainstream pricepoint, and the best first party games they've ever been able to make.

See, what has made the Wii a tremendous success is it's popularity with casual gamers or previously non-gamers. The Wii U isn't attracting that audience, and I don't think it's attracting many core gamers either. Of course Nintendo fans are a large, loyal group so they'll make it relatively successful, like the N64 and GC. I think the Wii U will do a little better than both of those, which is "well", but I think you're overestimating its success. Who knows though, maybe it'll be even bigger than the Wii! We'll see. 

It's Nextbox and PS4 i'm more concerned about right simply because they haven't proven anything to me. Nintendo has proven that they can make a gorgoes looking Pikmin and I know i've got many great first party games to look forward to. I'm not convinced that next gen graphics will blow me away like previous generations have. The Unreal 4 engine demo sure didn't blow me away...  The ball is in their court right now and I'm expecting to be blown away.

I sort of talk about this here: http://www.gamingcapacity.com/will-nextbox-and-ps4-need-unique-selling-points/ It's not a long read. Basically saying they'll innovate when it comes to software (not just games, but OS, extra features, stores, services etc) - but read it for a proper explanation! (please :)

The thing about watching these incredible tech demos is that they don't look as incredible when you watch it online. That's because the videos are so incredibly compressed that all the intricate details are gone. It's hard to explain, and even if I tried I'm not that familiar with hows and whys on this anyway, but I do know there's a huge difference from online video and in-person. I remember watching BF3 videos on PC, played at ultra and while I thought it looked awesome and definitely better than what PS360 could do, it wasn't mind blowing. Then I got BF3 on my PC, played it on Med/High settings and holy shit. Anyway, sorry for the rambling. 

I want the graphics and physics to be better, but I already know they will be better. If they reach Watch_Dogs and BF3 on Ultra standards at launch I'll be very happy. What I want to blow me away is the OS. I want something super streamlined and seamless and capable. Tons of new features, no lag/delay, things like being able to use a (good) browser and cross game chat in game.