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Forums - Microsoft - The REAL Problem With Xbox Live (OPINION)

hunter_alien on 26 November 2012
kowenicki said:
And to paraphrase a famous sig,

I love paying for LIVE and I love that my love for paying for LIVE annoys others.


Good for you

 

OT: totally agree... well let them pay for Live, why do you even care?



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Nem on 26 November 2012

My opinion on the matter is: I can play online for free even on my 3DS/DS/PSP. Why on earth should i pay microsoft for it when i already pay a premium price for the games? I dont care if other people are happy to pay, but one thing is for sure: Microsoft lost at least a next gen sale because of that. Hopefully theres plenty more like me.



DirtyP2002 on 26 November 2012

Nem, you are minority.

There are a lot of whiners on the internet complaining about XBL (not saying you are one of them), but those are the ones that would never buy an Xbox anyway. Even if MS cures cancer, they will complain about all the doctors losing their job.



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slowmo on 26 November 2012
riderz13371 said:
slowmo said:
riderz13371 said:
slowmo said:
Pretty sure you experienced neither Party chat or Netflix on the 360 5 years ago which basically makes your opinion worth jack shit as you are unable to quantify objectively how it compares to the service offered by the PS3. How is this baiting thread still open when this whining has been done to death already in hundreds of threads.

Please release some games soon Sony and give your bored fans something to do with their time instead of hating on superior products...

Party Chat - Talk to friends while they play other games

Netflix - Same as on PS3 and Wii. What's the difference other than paying twice?

All these articles are justifiable. Dude listen I could care less if you spend your money paying for xbox live. More power to you. I just feel really bad that Microsoft is getting away with it. Don't bring in the Sony vs Microsoft vs Nintendo shit in here. As I said I was writing this in a gamers perspective, not a fanboy perspective. 


Last year when PSN was down I could still watch Netflix on my 360.  You cannot have an objective debate when you ignore the fact that by paying for Live you get benefits such as a superior anti cheat policy, better more reliable infrastructure, gold accounts cost money so people are less likely to misbehavior.  You're also paying for all the extra services to be linked through in a more seamless experience. You brought the PS3 into this not me....

 

Look at the bold - I brought the PS3 into this right? Okay.


Yes, you did in your OP now shoo, the conversation has moved on...



maverick40 on 26 November 2012
kowenicki said:
riderz13371 said:
kowenicki said:
What was your LIVE username?

It was something along the lines of my name on this account name. I know it had "riderz" on it but I can't seem to remember the ending numbers. Sold my Xbox in 2007 because I didn't want to pay for live.


Riiiight. Ok.

anyway.

in summary.

you're wrong.


He may be wrong but Xbox live is not worth €50 a year and, the fact Xbox players are blindly paying for a service which is given free by Microsofts competitors is a tribute to the amazing marketing skills of Microsoft. 

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Alby_da_Wolf on 26 November 2012

Paying for features that are free on other consoles and on PC is a flaw that bugs me too, but I solve it avoiding XBoxes. Paying for premium features is totally fine for me, and I don't complain for pay DLC, if it is equivalent to the old official expansions, but I find instead not acceptable locked contents already present and needing an extra fee to be unlocked, but this isn't actually MS' fault, it was started by 3rd parties.



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Scoobes on 26 November 2012
J_Allard said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I don't agree with everything in the OP, but I do agree paying to get access to online multiplayer and other applications is unacceptable. I subscribed to Xbox LIVE for four years: from 2008 until this year when I cancelled. And it wasn't about the money -- I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the cost -- it was about the principle. I can play online with friends for free on Playstation, on Wii, and on PC. I should be able to do the same on Xbox.

I'm really shocked that so many are defending paying for Xbox LIVE. I can understand the argument "well it sucks, but how else am I supposed to play Halo?" I don't understand all the people defending the practice as if they were shareholders.


People will gladly pay for a service if the quality is worth the money. You don't need to be a shareholder to believe Live is superior enough to justify the entrance fee.

Your principal doesn't apply to the real world. I mean, I can watch digital TV for free. That means I shouldn't have to pay for Showtime. I can watch NFL games for free on FOX or CBS. That means I shouldn't have to pay for NFL Sunday Ticket.

Out of interest, what makes you think Live is greater quality then the competing services of PSN, Steam & Nintendo?

I honestly see very little (both in this thread and in general) that would make me want to pay for Live or assume it's superiority over the other services I currently use.




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J_Allard on 26 November 2012
Scoobes said:
J_Allard said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I don't agree with everything in the OP, but I do agree paying to get access to online multiplayer and other applications is unacceptable. I subscribed to Xbox LIVE for four years: from 2008 until this year when I cancelled. And it wasn't about the money -- I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the cost -- it was about the principle. I can play online with friends for free on Playstation, on Wii, and on PC. I should be able to do the same on Xbox.

I'm really shocked that so many are defending paying for Xbox LIVE. I can understand the argument "well it sucks, but how else am I supposed to play Halo?" I don't understand all the people defending the practice as if they were shareholders.


People will gladly pay for a service if the quality is worth the money. You don't need to be a shareholder to believe Live is superior enough to justify the entrance fee.

Your principal doesn't apply to the real world. I mean, I can watch digital TV for free. That means I shouldn't have to pay for Showtime. I can watch NFL games for free on FOX or CBS. That means I shouldn't have to pay for NFL Sunday Ticket.

Out of interest, what makes you think Live is greater quality then the competing services of PSN, Steam & Nintendo?

I honestly see very little (both in this thread and in general) that would make me want to pay for Live or assume it's superiority over the other services I currently use.

Reasons I have already expressed in this thread. In my years of using both I have found Live to have superior latency, more features, more users, and probably most importantly, better parity of features across all titles. What you get with one title on PSN is not true for the next title. I'm not even considering Nintendo's joke of an online offering or a PC service like Steam to be competition.

Those might not seem worth a few bucks a month to you and that's fine.



green_sky on 26 November 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
Nem, you are minority.

There are a lot of whiners on the internet complaining about XBL (not saying you are one of them), but those are the ones that would never buy an Xbox anyway. Even if MS cures cancer, they will complain about all the doctors losing their job.

What about the swing votes. They are always the ones who decide the election

I really hope they charge more for Live next gen. They could have three tiers. $99/year to play online, 149/year to access apps and $199/year all that plus new avatar items every month. That would be so cool. I hope they bring nice designer clothing for avatar and awesome shoes. 



J_Allard on 26 November 2012
Veknoid_Outcast said:
J_Allard said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I don't agree with everything in the OP, but I do agree paying to get access to online multiplayer and other applications is unacceptable. I subscribed to Xbox LIVE for four years: from 2008 until this year when I cancelled. And it wasn't about the money -- I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the cost -- it was about the principle. I can play online with friends for free on Playstation, on Wii, and on PC. I should be able to do the same on Xbox.

I'm really shocked that so many are defending paying for Xbox LIVE. I can understand the argument "well it sucks, but how else am I supposed to play Halo?" I don't understand all the people defending the practice as if they were shareholders.


People will gladly pay for a service if the quality is worth the money. You don't need to be a shareholder to believe Live is superior enough to justify the entrance fee.

Your principal doesn't apply to the real world. I mean, I can watch digital TV for free. That means I shouldn't have to pay for Showtime. I can watch NFL games for free on FOX or CBS. That means I shouldn't have to pay for NFL Sunday Ticket.

The first point is absolutely true. But I don't always see posters couching their arguments in those terms. I'm perfectly willing to accept a well-thought out argument about Xbox LIVE being worth the price of admission, but sometimes people defend the cost without really giving much though to it. That's certainly what I did for the first four years.

Your NFL and premium cable analogy doesn't really work, however. Showtime and Sunday Ticket are more like XBLA games and Netflix, things that cost extra money. Xbox LIVE is more like a television manufacturer charging a fee to get the opportunity to pay for Showtime and Sunday Ticket.

Nah the analogies work fine to me. In both of them you have a situation where you get a similar product for free elsewhere. Just like Live and PSN. Just because you can access one free doesn't mean they should all be free. MS put tons of time and work into their network and it shows. They aren't the first console company to charge for online play and won't be the last.