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Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:

DanneSandin illustrated it better. Bananaking is being deliberately obtuse. He could have said "i thought LBP was better," and then this thread would be half as long, if that.


I don't understand that. Why should people have to confirm that their opinion is....their opinion. If someone says blue is better than red, then it's obviously known that they're not speaking objectively, they're giving their opinion. If you give a statement that's obviously subjective, then it's pretty redundant to have to say "imo" or "i think."

But really though, my problem is really with the way he was responded to earlier in this thread. I don't have a problem with the debate honestly, no matter how silly I think it is; it's moreso his treatment in the first few pages that struck a nerve with me.

Because when they don't... this happens. Asserting opinion as if it is fact is going to derail discourse. Not in any way that is moderatable, but in a way that should be discouraged in order to foster good discussion.

Although this thread is much longer than many we've had recently, so who knows...



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What I find the most disingenuous are the fans of a company who will label another companies products “kiddie” or “immature” but will then lavish praise on games created in the same style by their favoured company. If the mascot in a game is a stuffed toy, part of the audience that it will appeal to are those who enjoy playing with stuffed toys, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with video game companies creating products that will appeal to wide and varied demographics.



Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:

DanneSandin illustrated it better. Bananaking is being deliberately obtuse. He could have said "i thought LBP was better," and then this thread would be half as long, if that.


I don't understand that. Why should people have to confirm that their opinion is....their opinion. If someone says blue is better than red, then it's obviously known that they're not speaking objectively, they're giving their opinion. If you give a statement that's obviously subjective, then it's pretty redundant to have to say "imo" or "i think."

But really though, my problem is really with the way he was responded to earlier in this thread. I don't have a problem with the debate honestly, no matter how silly I think it is; it's moreso his treatment in the first few pages that struck a nerve with me.

Because when they don't... this happens. Asserting opinion as if it is fact is going to derail discourse. Not in any way that is moderatable, but in a way that should be discouraged in order to foster good discussion.

Although this thread is much longer than many we've had recently, so who knows...

Oh damn! Almost 200 posts in a few hours =P



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Jay520 said:
amp316 said:

Of course we won't compare CoD and Flower because that's silly, but my point is that SMB and LBP should be compared since they are in the same genre.  Mario has been  king of platformers for 30 years, so he's the one everyone is compared to.  I'm not saying that they are identical but to claim that LBP doesn't draw some inspiration from Mario is just crazy.  My point is compare away, but don't try to distance youself at the same time.  

That makes sense, but I think the point Pezus was originally trying to make was that LBP isn't a copy/clone of Mario in the same way PABR is a copy/clone of Smash Bros. LBP definitely has similarities with Mario, but less than what PABR has with Smash Bros.

I suppose that I can agree this if that was his point.  I have not played PSABR, so I cannot tell you definitively if it's a clone or not but I have a strong feeling that it just might be from what I've seen...



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I went into LBP with great enthusiasm. What I found was a soulless, joyless experience with awful controls and menu designs. The music is good, and the art style is nice, but it all ends there for me. There is no comparing it to Mario, not for a second.

Turns out that LBP Karting and PSASBR are the same way, so no surprises there.

To the OP, Sony did make their own SMB game, and it was a failure by comparison.



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pezus said:
fighter said:
pezus said:
fighter said:
pezus said:

Belittling, which is, as far as I know, against the rules. Are you new to VGC?

haven't been posting as much as you but enough to have noticed facepalms are the norm like everywhere else - thus your "innocence" seeming very very candid

It's a case of double standards. What innocence are you talking about? 

the innocence of being offended by standard gifs - what did you think?

Did I say I was offended? People can call me a fanboy without me getting offended, but it's against the rules so I'd expect the banhammer to swing.

you seem pretty offended by them, and oddly so considering how many similar inoffensive memes populate the web

otherwise i really cannot understand why you would be so picky on these and, despite your long record of postng on this website, not by facepalms



RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
I was told to come in this thread, because a lot of people are supposedly hallucinating.

So the first point of contention I want to tackle is this: Does LBP have a cooler standard enemy than a Goomba?

There is no standard enemy. But if your imagination is cool enough, you can create a cooler enemy than a Goomba.

And with this the debate is over. A platformer that doesn't even have standard enemies shouldn't be compared to the golden standard in the genre.

so that is why LBP is better than Mario : imagination



bananaking21 said:
mushroomboy5 said:
bananaking21 said:
Ouroboros24 said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
bananaking21 said:
its because Sony has a superior 2D platforming game, its called littlebigplanet


this


Littlebigplanet has platformers and now karts.  When will this game ever sell?

so all of a sudden littlebigplanet doesnt sell?


it does ok but it's hardly record breaking...esp when compared to it's...ahem...source of inspiration.


atleast im playing an ...ahem.... far superior game. i have no need to care about sales when playing a game

I know that when you are enjoying a game, sales does not matter. But in the long run they do matter, because the more money Sony get from that franchise, the more support (and sequels) that franchise will get, making us, the gamers more happy :)

For example if the first GOW game would have sold like crap, a sequel would not exist; and even though it was an amazing game, we ( I ) would be very sad for not having a sequel (and the eventually sequel to the sequel, and prequels).

At least for now LBP is selling really great, but nothing spectacular.  It would be very nice to see an LBP game (and every other 1st party Sony game) to sell 10M :D



Mr Khan said:

Because when they don't... this happens. Asserting opinion as if it is fact is going to derail discourse. Not in any way that is moderatable, but in a way that should be discouraged in order to foster good discussion.

Although this thread is much longer than many we've had recently, so who knows...


What I get from this is that there's nothing necessarily wrong with asserting your opinion without explicitly saying "imo." Rather, it's the reaction that's the problem. This shows me that it's the other people posts who should be discouraged, not the original post. Saying something is wrong because other people can't react respectfully doesn't make sense to me. The other people's actions should be what's wrong.

Now, of course, if he were making several posts and constantly quoting people asserting his opinion, then that should be discouraged. However, he made one post in response to the OP. That one post was met with responses also claiming an opinion as fact. However, unlike Bananaking's post, the responses were often riddled with beliitling and undermining remarks. Those are the posts that should be discouraged, not the original post.

People can have a decent discussion without explicitly typing "imo" as long as they remain respectful. The problem isn't a lack of "imo," the problem is a lack of respect. Disrespect should be discouraged, not the exclusion of "imo." 



fighter said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
I was told to come in this thread, because a lot of people are supposedly hallucinating.

So the first point of contention I want to tackle is this: Does LBP have a cooler standard enemy than a Goomba?

There is no standard enemy. But if your imagination is cool enough, you can create a cooler enemy than a Goomba.

And with this the debate is over. A platformer that doesn't even have standard enemies shouldn't be compared to the golden standard in the genre.

so that is why LBP is better than Mario : imagination

But for everyone lacking imagination Mario is better...? ;)



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