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VGKing said:
Proclus said:

Educated guess based on actual data? When you consider they're literally off by half a million for some games, yeah sure you can call that educated if you want, I'll stick to my version of common sense though, which is the VGC number supplied by actual reports.

Black Ops 2 massively undertracked, confirmed by Gamestop CEO: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/373063/black-ops-2-breaks-gamestop-pre-order-record/ - Currently at VGC: 393,906 under Modern Warfare 3.

Assassin's Creed 3 massively undertracked, confirmed by Gamestop CEO: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/25/assassins-creed-iii-pre-orders-break-ubisoft-record - Currently at VGC: ~45K above Revelations (520K launch) despite the Gamestop CEO saying it's nearly double Revelation's numbers already in reality.

So Halo 4 is conveniently enough the only one tracking accurately? And please don't reply claiming more of this  "there would have been some press release", Microsoft hasn't done that since 2007 for the Halo franchise.

Anyways, believe what you will, I know I do, we'll know soon enough mate.


Never said Halo 4 pre-order data is accurate. Don't put words in my mouth.

However VgChartz is the only website to provide actual numbers, so its all I can go by for now. Sorry. 

BenVTrigger confirmed a month ago that Halo 4 pre-orders already broke the million mark at Gamestop.

We had Halo 4 at 700k at that point. He further added that Gamestop accounts for approx. 80% of all pre-orders in the US. Therefore the pre-order numbers should've been at ~1.2m at that point. 7 weeks from launch.

Now our Halo Reach numbers might be quite wrong as well, though they had been 630k with 7 weeks to go.



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spurgeonryan said:
Wow! This thread is a minefield.

Will Halo 4 have weaker legs than previous games? It is the end of a generation.

it should have shorter legs and because of that i expect it to sell less than halo 3 but it could still sell as much as reach which had also much time to sell but didn't get so good word of mouth for the multiplayer (many halo fans still prefer halo 2 or 3 for that) and wasn't a game of the mainline (but still much more important as odst)



As others have already explained:

ECM is a fairly new user with a clean mod history. While his post was definitely offensive, it was not offensive enough to skip the warning and ban him instead.

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 responded to the post in question that the author of such is an asshole.
- Insulting any member is strictly against the rules
- The post was clearly marked by Kasz. There was absolutely no reason to respond in any way.
- Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 has a history of insulting users

I banned ferox for one day, even though he had a clean mod history, because he saw why ECM was moderated and still made an even more trollish statement. This was punishment for ignoring the rules instead of "only" not knowing them.



zero129 said:
Person1: Sorry your honor but i killed someone and never done it before.
Judge: Ok, well here is a warning dont do it again :).

Person 2: Sorry your honor but i killed someone and i killed someone before.
Judge: Ok, well time for jail

This analogy is wrong, since murder is seen as the highest possible crime.

If a new user posts for example hardcore porn for the first time in an entirely unrelated topic, he or she (most likely he) will be permabanned instantly.
If a new user shares for example his racist or homophobic opinions in any topic, he or she (most likely he) will be banned without getting warned first.
If a new user trolls or flames for the first time, he will recieve a warning.

So no trolling or flaming is no murder, it's more like stealing, where you don't need to go in jail either if you do it for the first time.



@zero129

but the mods can only do what the forum rules are even if you are right so they did handle it like they had to:

"Moderation on VGChartz. VGChartz uses a progressive moderation system. This means that repeats of the same offense will often result in harsher penalties, starting with a warning and working up"

like you see, they first had to give ecm a warning and the other user is already in the situation to get banned.








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Barozi said:
VGKing said:
Proclus said:

Educated guess based on actual data? When you consider they're literally off by half a million for some games, yeah sure you can call that educated if you want, I'll stick to my version of common sense though, which is the VGC number supplied by actual reports.

Black Ops 2 massively undertracked, confirmed by Gamestop CEO: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/373063/black-ops-2-breaks-gamestop-pre-order-record/ - Currently at VGC: 393,906 under Modern Warfare 3.

Assassin's Creed 3 massively undertracked, confirmed by Gamestop CEO: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/25/assassins-creed-iii-pre-orders-break-ubisoft-record - Currently at VGC: ~45K above Revelations (520K launch) despite the Gamestop CEO saying it's nearly double Revelation's numbers already in reality.

So Halo 4 is conveniently enough the only one tracking accurately? And please don't reply claiming more of this  "there would have been some press release", Microsoft hasn't done that since 2007 for the Halo franchise.

Anyways, believe what you will, I know I do, we'll know soon enough mate.


Never said Halo 4 pre-order data is accurate. Don't put words in my mouth.

However VgChartz is the only website to provide actual numbers, so its all I can go by for now. Sorry. 

BenVTrigger confirmed a month ago that Halo 4 pre-orders already broke the million mark at Gamestop.

We had Halo 4 at 700k at that point. He further added that Gamestop accounts for approx. 80% of all pre-orders in the US. Therefore the pre-order numbers should've been at ~1.2m at that point. 7 weeks from launch.

Now our Halo Reach numbers might be quite wrong as well, though they had been 630k with 7 weeks to go.


I don't see how I'm supposed to belive this random forum user.....sure he seems like a nice guy from his comments but that doesn't mean he can be trusted. His comments are something to consider, not fact.



Barozi said:
zero129 said:
Person1: Sorry your honor but i killed someone and never done it before.
Judge: Ok, well here is a warning dont do it again :).

Person 2: Sorry your honor but i killed someone and i killed someone before.
Judge: Ok, well time for jail

This analogy is wrong, since murder is seen as the highest possible crime.

If a new user posts for example hardcore porn for the first time in an entirely unrelated topic, he or she (most likely he) will be permabanned instantly.
If a new user shares for example his racist or homophobic opinions in any topic, he or she (most likely he) will be banned without getting warned first.
If a new user trolls or flames for the first time, he will recieve a warning.

So no trolling or flaming is no murder, it's more like stealing, where you don't need to go in jail either if you do it for the first time.

I hope you also consider the fact that most of these new users are alts.



the 360 doesn't have a 70m active install base.. ohh dear god, i swear when someone is hyped about a game, they lose all sense of realism.



zero129 said:

Good point.

what about what i said here

"like i said how long a user has been here or if they have been banned before doesnt matter in this case imo.

Flaimbaiting = Bannable imo. i dont care if its a new member, old member whatever.

I see no reason why one user was banned when the other wasnt, and dont give me a weak excuse about how one user should know better etc.

Both should know better. Clearly if that other user could sign up he has maybe been a member of another site. lots of sites has lots of the same rules about flaiming etc. or he could of been a toll account (we have lots of them here). So dont give me the "He was new etc etc" thing.

This was handled bad simple as. Right thing to do would of been give both users a warning."

Now barozi me and you are buds so tell me your feelings on the subject i just brought up.

We have a policy that allows older members to regain the mod status of a new user (not directly on paper, as in a whiped out mod history, but we see it nonetheless). With that the user starts from the beginning and receives a warning after his next offense.
In order to gain such a status your history needs to be clean for at least half a year. Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 was close to achieving that, but he only kept it clean for 4 months.
These 4 months however have been taken into consideration in my judgement and he was punished with a ban length which is only half of the length of his previous sentence.

In the end this is similar to real life. If you haven't done anything you need to pay some money or do public work. If you're a repeat offender that is on probation and breaks the law once more you're going to jail. If you haven't done something in several years you might be charged with a fine again instead of going to jail.



VGKing said:
Barozi said:

BenVTrigger confirmed a month ago that Halo 4 pre-orders already broke the million mark at Gamestop.

We had Halo 4 at 700k at that point. He further added that Gamestop accounts for approx. 80% of all pre-orders in the US. Therefore the pre-order numbers should've been at ~1.2m at that point. 7 weeks from launch.

Now our Halo Reach numbers might be quite wrong as well, though they had been 630k with 7 weeks to go.


I don't see how I'm supposed to belive this random forum user.....sure he seems like a nice guy from his comments but that doesn't mean he can be trusted. His comments are something to consider, not fact.

it's not a random user, it's a long time user who works at Gamestop and knows their numbers.

If that's not enough for you he said the 360 versions of Black Ops 2 and Asassin's Creed III already reached the million BEFORE this and this source showed up.

We have Black Ops 2 lower than MW3, yet this has proven to be wrong. (by BenVTrigger and later by the Gamestop president)
We had Revelations at ~500k for the 360 version and again the Gamespot president says that Assassins Creed 3 has 100% higher pre-orders than the last game. Which should mean 1m for the 360 version.

Doesn't sound like a coincidence, especially since no one else expected that Assassin's Creed III was undertracked.