But it doesn't matter if it's on a game by game basis. Nobody gives a shit about the achievements themselves, not even self proclaimed trophy hunters. Without the arbitrary e-peen-o-meter nobody cares about achievemnts, thats why nobody tries to 100% games on steam but everyone does it on ps3, xbox and WoW. It doesn't matter that the number doesn't do jack shit as long as my number is higher than yours.

Nooooo!

Now how am I supposed to have fun playing my videogames!?!

I don't think that's what they meant, though. Surely accomplishments will be available for viewing between games (at your Mii), just that what they meant was that it won't be mandatory.

I really don't understand the negative reaction achievements/trophies get from some people. Perhaps, it is because a feature that both ps3/360 (and their successors will likely use) have that the Wii U will not have which, no matter how you slice it, takes away from the value of the product.

You can certainly argue that it is pointless, and it is something that you will never use, but that does not change the fact that there are plenty of gamers that care about it enough to the point where they will wait on a purchase of the system because of it. It comes down to a simple rule that less features = less overall value of a product in a general sense.

Substitute achievements with anything else ... let's take Netflix as an example. I don't use Netflix, and I don't care to ever use it, but if a system does not support it then it will lose customers who love that feature. Even though I don't use Netflix, and I have my own biased/elitist feelings against it (prefer to own physical blurays and to see films in theaters) I can understand why others would see the service as valuable, and I would think it would be a strike against a system (in a general sense) if it did not include access to that feature.

When you think about it, achievements have been a part of gaming since long before the Xbox 360. I can still remember the pride and enjoyment derived from getting a high score on an arcade cabinet and attaching my initials to it. Even Nintendo has embraced "achievements" for certain games like Zelda which has always had a collectible component to go after. It is not about epeen or anything so immature it is simply another way to enjoy gaming (a kind of meta-game that makes gaming experiences more pragmatic and connected then they otherwise would be). All gamers are asking for is a unified system where one can see a quick list of your accomplishments and compare those with friends.

I don't see the harm in this ... especially since multiplats will have lists anyways thanks to 360/ps3. Not including achievements and a basic system to gather and report them back to the player just sounds like laziness to me ... if it is so taxing for Nintendo to implement this then just crowdsource the process of making a list of achievements for each game (maybe that could be a way to make Nintendo's achievement system unique).

It is also foolish as this will most certaintly result in lost sales (most likely am going to cancel my preorder and just wait until a nice bundle comes out like I did for the Wii).

This kinda blows, seems simple enough to add and a lot of people want it so I dont see why they didnt, oh well, cant really see it changing that many peoples minds, its nothing to cancel a pre-order over.

Good.

Achievements and Trophies pisses me off

It will have achievements... just not obligatory ones.

Again, not a big deal. If it turns out to be they'll just add the achievements. 3rd parties most likely will have them, since they're already made. I understand you a bit, but cancel a pre-order because of this is really astonishing to me, a seriously case of overeaction

Do you really think third parties have that much freedom to tinker around on the Miiverse? I think what they meant is the option to send out notifications to friends when you earn an ingame Achievement but still, there will be no permanent score locked to it and therefore it will be useless for all parties. We'll see how it turns out, I don't care either way. 

Damn achievements and trophies are a joke? some of yall sound ignorant saying that. It should be required.

Wow.

Some reactions here are disturbing. "No Achievement/trophy, no buy?" That's quite sad.

In my case, I don't care about them. On my 360 or on Steam I play the games doing what I want or what I think is best way to progress though the game, not the way I'm forced to to get "that reward". It's not even fun in most cases.

So... whatever. If the developer wants, they will be there and they'll be in Miiverse so anyone can see them, and if they don't want then it's nothing to worry about.