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Crono141 said:
oniyide said:
MDMAlliance said:
I'm quite certain that the people who says Nintendo consoles don't offer them anything they're interested in (that isn't multiplat) haven't played more than Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Kirby from Nintendo. There are a lot of other 1st and 3rd party exclusives on Nintendo consoles that hit every other genre. I think a lot of this is just excuses as to say one console is better. I also feel like people don't understand how much more powerful the Wii U is than the 360 and PS3. People say the vague things like "it's not much stronger" or "barely any difference" and I even saw the "if you use the pro-controller on the Wii U it isn't any different than the PS360." The Wii U is at the very bare minimum twice as powerful as the "current gen" (though I would say it's more like 3.5 times or so) and I don't see how twice as powerful equates as "barely." Especially since when you talk about multiplying the power difference, as you get more and more powerful, that difference between the systems is exponentially different. 1 x 2 = 2. 2 x 2 = 4. 4 x 2 = 8. 8 x 2 = 16. Basic math.
I'm also seeing people saying that it costs too much money for what it is. If that was meant to be about the library it has available, then that's legitimate. However, it reads to be that it costs too much money for how powerful it is. However, $250 is okay for a PS3/360? The Wii U is only $50 more.

Why is it so hard to imagine that some people dont like Ninty games?? Its ok not to like them and it being completly unmalicious.

People dont understand how its "much" more powerful than PS360, whose fault is that, thats up to Ninty to do or not do and they are not going to do that with NSMBWu. YOu can quote specs till you are blue in the face but in the real world very little care, its about showing not telling and be honest is there any game being released in the first two months for Wii U that looks "much" better than anything of PS360??

This is a legitimate complaint.  Nintendo was mum on Wii specs because next to PS360 it couldn't hope to compare.   They weren't worried about the specs because the strategy was for playstyle.

This time around though, if they're truly going for the hardcore, they need to hype up their specs.  Even if you have to make up something like "blast processing" to get the hype train rolling, they need to do it.  Truth is, we've hit a mhz limit on most chips (we've had 2.5-3.5 ghz chips for years now), so there's no number that nintendo will be able to point to and say "this is clearly better because of this number our system does compared to their system".  WiiU chips likely run at the same clock speeds as PS360, but the improvements are all under the hood.  Much like how a current gen intel i series at 2.4 ghz blows away a pentium 4 at 2.4 ghz.  Mhz mean less and less.

So its difficult for nintendo to show in a soundbyte that their system is jacked up.  But 7 years of technology and processor design is nothing to turn your nose up at.  Their chip is a watson, the family of IBM's most powerful chips, and among the most powerful chips on the planet.

You'll see starwars 1313 level graphics on the WiiU.  You'll see UE4.  WiiU is nothing to scoff at.  There's just nothing to show yet that demonstrates that well.  ZombiU is a game designed for current gen.  As is Trine 2 (which looks beautiful) and Rayman Legends.  Give it a little while.  By the time PS4 and Xbox3 come around, you'll see that WiiU is indeed a next gen machine.

fair enough and i hope you are right, i hope it does turn out to be nothing to scoff at, i am going to give it a while, which is why i will not be getting one anytime soon. Not gonna do what i did with Wii and wait around for games. I will wait until we see these Star Wars level of graphics and not before



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I do not buy consoles at launch, so I really need to get hands on with it to understand how it works before reaching any conclusion. I am curious about the system right now though.



As of right now from what has been shown im not interested. Maybe ill buy one when its cheap but come launch ill most likely play it at a friends house.



oniyide said:
MDMAlliance said:
I'm quite certain that the people who says Nintendo consoles don't offer them anything they're interested in (that isn't multiplat) haven't played more than Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Kirby from Nintendo. There are a lot of other 1st and 3rd party exclusives on Nintendo consoles that hit every other genre. I think a lot of this is just excuses as to say one console is better. I also feel like people don't understand how much more powerful the Wii U is than the 360 and PS3. People say the vague things like "it's not much stronger" or "barely any difference" and I even saw the "if you use the pro-controller on the Wii U it isn't any different than the PS360." The Wii U is at the very bare minimum twice as powerful as the "current gen" (though I would say it's more like 3.5 times or so) and I don't see how twice as powerful equates as "barely." Especially since when you talk about multiplying the power difference, as you get more and more powerful, that difference between the systems is exponentially different. 1 x 2 = 2. 2 x 2 = 4. 4 x 2 = 8. 8 x 2 = 16. Basic math.
I'm also seeing people saying that it costs too much money for what it is. If that was meant to be about the library it has available, then that's legitimate. However, it reads to be that it costs too much money for how powerful it is. However, $250 is okay for a PS3/360? The Wii U is only $50 more.

Why is it so hard to imagine that some people dont like Ninty games?? Its ok not to like them and it being completly unmalicious.

People dont understand how its "much" more powerful than PS360, whose fault is that, thats up to Ninty to do or not do and they are not going to do that with NSMBWu. YOu can quote specs till you are blue in the face but in the real world very little care, its about showing not telling and be honest is there any game being released in the first two months for Wii U that looks "much" better than anything of PS360??


I wasn't talking about "Ninty games," I was talking about "any games on a Nintendo console" which includes 2nd and 3rd party games.  You can't honestly say that you didn't like any of them unless your taste only applies to a very specific genre in a very specific style (which most gamers are not).



MDMAlliance said:
oniyide said:
MDMAlliance said:
I'm quite certain that the people who says Nintendo consoles don't offer them anything they're interested in (that isn't multiplat) haven't played more than Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Kirby from Nintendo. There are a lot of other 1st and 3rd party exclusives on Nintendo consoles that hit every other genre. I think a lot of this is just excuses as to say one console is better. I also feel like people don't understand how much more powerful the Wii U is than the 360 and PS3. People say the vague things like "it's not much stronger" or "barely any difference" and I even saw the "if you use the pro-controller on the Wii U it isn't any different than the PS360." The Wii U is at the very bare minimum twice as powerful as the "current gen" (though I would say it's more like 3.5 times or so) and I don't see how twice as powerful equates as "barely." Especially since when you talk about multiplying the power difference, as you get more and more powerful, that difference between the systems is exponentially different. 1 x 2 = 2. 2 x 2 = 4. 4 x 2 = 8. 8 x 2 = 16. Basic math.
I'm also seeing people saying that it costs too much money for what it is. If that was meant to be about the library it has available, then that's legitimate. However, it reads to be that it costs too much money for how powerful it is. However, $250 is okay for a PS3/360? The Wii U is only $50 more.

Why is it so hard to imagine that some people dont like Ninty games?? Its ok not to like them and it being completly unmalicious.

People dont understand how its "much" more powerful than PS360, whose fault is that, thats up to Ninty to do or not do and they are not going to do that with NSMBWu. YOu can quote specs till you are blue in the face but in the real world very little care, its about showing not telling and be honest is there any game being released in the first two months for Wii U that looks "much" better than anything of PS360??


I wasn't talking about "Ninty games," I was talking about "any games on a Nintendo console" which includes 2nd and 3rd party games.  You can't honestly say that you didn't like any of them unless your taste only applies to a very specific genre in a very specific style (which most gamers are not).

i do like em, the problem is I could play those games on consoles i already have and thats why im going to wait with the Wii U, its not a hard concept to grasp.



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Oni
"Why is it so hard to imagine that some people dont like Ninty games??"

This is like if you were telling me that you dont believe in heliocentric theory



Looks pretty cool tbh. If I had any money I would buy it, but I probably will not buy a next gen console for 3 years. Its price point in 3 years should be better then what the competition has to offer.



oniyide said:

i do like em, the problem is I could play those games on consoles i already have and thats why im going to wait with the Wii U, its not a hard concept to grasp.


I'm not talking about you though.  I'm talking to the people who's going off saying that no Nintendo console has offered them anything they wanted or liked. Which I find nearly impossible to do, even if you take away multi-platform games.



MDMAlliance said:
oniyide said:

i do like em, the problem is I could play those games on consoles i already have and thats why im going to wait with the Wii U, its not a hard concept to grasp.


I'm not talking about you though.  I'm talking to the people who's going off saying that no Nintendo console has offered them anything they wanted or liked. Which I find nearly impossible to do, even if you take away multi-platform games.


Why do you find it impossible? SOme people just simply dont like Ninty, I met a few myself, not alot. Its not like there are not viable alternatives to Ninty products. Neither of us are telepaths so we cant never know for sure, we just have to take them at face value and say whatever. I personally dont care as a gamer if people want to limit themselves then that is their right, i would say the same to Ninty only gamers



S.T.A.G.E. said:
prayformojo said:
I'm a Nintendo fan, as I've owned every console they've released since the NES. I'm 33, so to me, they are basically the company of my childhood. Having said that? This is the first console I had little interest in. I don't like how they're trying to go for us core gamers, whilist releasing an underpowered system with no achievements, no great online connectivity like XBL, no multimedia capabilities like DVD and Blu-Ray play back etc. It's almost like they just don't WANT hardcore gamers anymore.

I love Nintendo and their franchises, but I just know it's going to suffer. The power of the system is going to cripple it and 3rd parties are going to jump ship like they have been doing since the N64. I honestly see this console finishing last, like the Gamecube.


This. Crippled is definitely the word to describe the Wii U once the next Playstation and Xbox come out. They will be fully harnessing the newest engines without being dumbed down, so I feel for Nintendo. Hopefully they put out some quality titles to keep peoples minds off of the excessive graphics and focusing on solid gameplay. The Wii had some but not nearly enough. God I miss the PSX/PS2 era. The Wii U feels like its going to be a N64 type console. Nintendo was never known for harnessing their consoles power even when they were more powerful than the competition.

The thing is, I don't see the next xbox and ps coming out until at least 2014 with the new roadmap GPUs on the PC side (if you follow the roadmap of GPU makers aka Nvidia and AMD, you'd have noticed already, they'd be the weaker versions of the PC GPUs which are supposedly the huge step up in 2014-2015) , by then the Wii U would have been out for 2 years already, it's unrealistic to think they'd come out in 2013 as there is not even any real announcements by now. Coming out in 2013 would make their systems on par with the Wii U, they need to wait about 2 more years to be realistically a step further in the power department.

Of course, power is not why I buy consoles, power is what PCs are for, if people can afford it lol.