What has Sony to do with that ? Third parties have already reported sales from PSN and XBLA though they mostly don't report the exact split.
Then there is Fade LLC who estimates digital numbers just like VGC does it (I think ioi is even involved in there and even more so an old member of our forum - mrstickball)
and lastly there are still leaderboards where you could get an idea of how well a game does.


The only PSN game that has a realistic chance at being over 1 million sales is FFVII because it was on top of basically all PSN charts Sony provided. But other than that there is not much else. Journey is breaking sales records for fastest selling PSN game but that doesn't meant at all that it sold more. (and FFVII is a PSOne game, but let's not get into those details)

Unless you can give EXACT numbers of what EVERY single game on PSN has sold, you can't criticise psn's numbers because it seems most of it is just hearsay. I'm sorry but this is rediculous without exact irrefutable facts.

And I think it is ridiculous to think otherwise without any facts. I tried to provide some, you just say "uh uuuhhh".

Surely Sony or any company making PSN games wouldn't brag about good sales right ?
360 still sold ~100m more retail games, why is it so hard to believe that XBLA does better in sales ?

Your logic is extremely flawed and what the hell are you even doing on VGC when you don't believe in some kind of estimates ??
By your logic a PSN game with one confirmed sales has as a fact more sales than an XBLA game with 1m leaderboard entries.

I don't doubt at all that PSN sell more games than XBLA, but that is with PS Minis, with PSOne games with PSP games, with full PS3 games and that's just not a valid comparison.

What annoys me about this is: This was never a thread about sales but low and behold, here we are. This was a thread talking about quality games that are fun to play regardless of "sales". Yet again, it's degenerated to sales talk. But on that topic, my arguement was: You can't jump to conclusions without any facts.

that's all I have to say on that matter, now get back on topic.

Well I didn't start with it and I'm still wondering what you're doing here. Must be the community because it's definitely not about the sales.
And I don't jump to conclusion I use logic to fill the tiny spots that are missing between the facts that I've already gathered.

There is no hard evidence for everything in this world. Everything has a certain margin of error because there are exceptions for eveything. But these things that we regard as facts just have a slightly lower margin of error than the things that we call estimates. That doesn't make them wrong though, just a tiny bit less likely to be true than facts, but still enough to build on them.

It still gets criticised by people saying its offering is not on par with the others like Steam or XBL. Which I still believe is untrue.

What annoys me about this is: This was never a thread about sales but low and behold, here we are. This was a thread talking about quality games that are fun to play regardless of "sales". Yet again, it's degenerated to sales talk. But on that topic, my arguement was: You can't jump to conclusions without any facts.

that's all I have to say on that matter, now get back on topic.

I love moments like these.....providing facts to show the simply reality. And like we established.....this isnt taking into account the gamers interest (aka sales) of these games. 

This was from a 2010 list I made. For this thread im only gonna put PSN vs XBLA 

XBLA METACRITIC.COM

AAA (2) = Limbo, Super Meat Boy
AA (8 ) = Darwinia+, Misadventures of P. B. Winterbottom, Toy Solders, Puzzle Quest 2, Snoopy Flying Ace, Lazy Raiders, Plants VS Zombies, Pinball FX2
A (16) = Perfect Dark, Chime, Zeno Clash: Ultimate Edition, Doom 2, Dead Rising 2: Case Zero, RISK: Factions, Hydro Thunder Hurricane, Monday Night Combat, Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter, Comic Jumper: The Adventures of Captain Smiley, Space Ark, Guwange, Raskulls, A World of Keflings, Dead Rising 2: Case West, Quake Arena Arcade

PSN METACRITIC.COM

AAA (0) =
AA (6) = Joe Danger, Hustle Kings, Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse Episode 1 - The Penal Zone, Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse Episode 2 - The Tomb of Sammun-Mak, Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse Episode 5: The City That Dares Not Sleep, Swords and Soldiers
A (7) = Soldner-X 2: Final Prototype, Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse Episode 3: They Stole Max's Brain!, Tumble, Flight Control HD, Hoard, Deadnation, Echochrome 2

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My 2012 current 360 vs PS3 list. This one doesn't separate downloadable from retail due to the increased relevance of downloadable titles. But im sure you can pick them out and see the same conclusion. 

360

90+ (2) - Trials Evolution, Mark of the Ninja
80-89 (8) - The Witcher 2, Fez, Dust: An Elysian Tail, Sine Mora, Joe Danger 2: The Movie, Minecraft, Spelunky, Happy Action Theatre
70-79 (8) - Akai Katana Skin, Alan Wake: AN, Hybrid, The Splatters, Anomaly: Warzone Earth, Zuma Revenge, Quarrel, Haunt 

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PS3

90+ (1) - Journey
80-89 (6) - MLB 12: The Show, Dyad, Closure, Jak and Daxter Collection, Ratchet and Clank Collection, Sound Shapes
70-79 (8)- Twisted Metal, Starhawk, Sorcery, Tales of Graces, Motorstorm RC, House of the Dead 4, Rainbow Moon, Retro/Grade

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Granted some games here are/were only timed exclusive. I still think thats worth mentioning none the less. History has shown the later releases get lost in obscurity and irrelevance. 

Like my previous post said. PS3 has retail nailed down. PSn is great, but doesnt hold a candle to XBLA. 

 I'd be cautious when using Metacritic to try 'rate' PSN / XBLA games, as a lot of games go completely under the rardar and are lucky to get 5 reviews. For example Machinarium which just arrived on PSN a few weeks ago still doesn't have a 'metacritic rating' but has 85+ for IoS / Pc versions and from what I've seen will get over 80 on PSN. I think you're lists are incomplete too - for example Oddworld: Stranglers Wrath HD (Brilliant game!) is 82 on metacritic but you've missed it. Infamous: Festival of Blood is another missing game too...

I think they're both great services but I think over the last year or 2 Sony has done a great job at building and expanding the service which XBLA has stalled somewhat. XBLA still has the 'megahit' games of summer but everything else seems to be suffering (I'm only basing this off a few interviews with indie devs I read... will dig up some links if you need), whereas PSN is trying to go for a more even approach all around. The indie fund stuff is starting to reap some rewards finally, they're making the servicd easier for developers,  PS+ is finally taking off... but there's no real figures around at all to make this any more then my opinion. 

 I don't own an Xbox but one thing I do wonder... is XBLA still miles behind on selling full retail games? Last I checked the selection was quite varied but they all cost maximum price and were never on sale. Whereas PSN still have them expensive at launch, it cuts their price down in sales only a few months after release and is really starting to push buying them on PSN on day of release. FIFA 12, Borderlands 2 both have pre-order incentives on PSN... Microsoft are missing a trick if they're not sorted that part out yet.