What did Epic say exactly? Surely not something overly positive since they won't even be putting their new engine on the console.

Isn't powerful? It's a bit more powerful than a PS3! I'm just saying I expected this and when we get the official tech details I'll be sure to post about it here. You will excuse me if I really don't have much trust in Nintendo, who are staying in the shadows like they have something to hide.

Epic said they reckon it's about 4 times more powerful than a 360.

We also heard Brian Burleson from Gearbox say it's been pretty easy porting Aliens: Colonial Marines to the Wii U and stating the Wii U version will be the best looking one.

While Epic's statements might have been a bit bold seeing as they haven't really worked with the Wii U intensively they have seen the dev kit and can't be written off as moron's who don't know what they're talking about.

With Gearbox's Aliens on the other hand we get clear and undeniable proof that the Wii is at the very least more powerful than the 360 and PS3. How much more powerful is anybody's guess but I tend to put more fate in sources with names and reputations than the rumors from anonymous sources.

With Eurogamer specifically it seems they're rehashing the same rumor to try and add credibility to their story. I remember reading those 'quotes' in several other but more importantly, older articles as well.

So far we've heard rumor say it's 1.5x the 360/PS3 in terms of processing power, we've heard rumor say it's way more powerful, we've heard rumor say it's weaker than the 360/PS3 because it's graphically less capable and now it's supposedly only really on par with the 360 because the cpu is dreadfully slow but the graphics card is more capable. I'm sorry, that's too inconsistent.

What did Epic say exactly? Surely not something overly positive since they won't even be putting their new engine on the console.

Isn't powerful? It's a bit more powerful than a PS3! I'm just saying I expected this and when we get the official tech details I'll be sure to post about it here. You will excuse me if I really don't have much trust in Nintendo, who are staying in the shadows like they have something to hide.

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http://rastergrid.com/blog/2011/10/opengl-vs-directx-the-war-is-far-from-over/

I'm sorry but Opengl 3 which your claiming Wii-U to have..... doesn't have Tessellation. This feature came in Opengl 4...... this is known.

So either people don't know there tech or some is flat out lying.

That's why nintengen assumed it was directx 11 or Opengl 4 because they were added in those. 

If you have a PC that is 2010-2011 you can run  Opengl 4.

IF Opengl is true than the ps3 is light years behind Wii-U in ability "Epic: "It will do things current HD consoles simply cant do its going to be a powerful box.""  I'm assuming they saw Opengl 4 and that was enough to make the comment. By the way this people are pretty dumb Eurogamer because Wii-U can't use directx series because mircosoft owns it. They should have just said Opengl 3 if that was there point but with it would contradict the tessellation unit which is on Opengl 4.

Stream output also should be mention because OpenGl 3 barely has anything for it. Opengl 4 uses everything to it's fullest.

People act like Direct 11/ Opengl 4 must have a beast system to run from 2012 when it came out in 2009 and could work on mid-range PC's at the time.

"Microsoft unveiled DirectX 11 at the Gamefest 08 event in Seattle, with the major scheduled features including GPGPU support (DirectCompute), and Direct3D11 [with tessellation support]" http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=611&Itemid=29

Almost made this thread until I realized it was the same one.

Hi Vgchartz. This is what I have been saying all along. Bring the games and we will forget about any other snags. Read more below.

Blitz Games Studios design director John Nash believes that too many people are spending too much time looking at Wii U specifications – rather than the games and the entertainment the system will offer consumers once it’s released this holiday season.

“It’s very easy for people to get hung up on hardware specs and technical specs. It’s great to have a massive processor that’s got a graphics pipeline that uses DX11, but what people need to focus on particularly for games going forward, is, what kind of experience can you build in the space of possibility afforded by the hardware in terms of features? Not in clock cycles. Does it connect out to the internet well? Does it connect to mobile well? How does it connect to your other friends and involve them in that experience? That’s where games are moving forwards.”

“Nintendo’s approach is to say, we’re going to package that other screen with the console straight out of the box so there’s nothing to worry about and the developers have a stable platform, whereas maybe the other platform holders are saying, maybe we’re going to involve other devices. That will bring another set of problems. Sony and Microsoft will go toe to toe again as they have done on this rev. They will do the same on the next one. Nintendo are doing something different.”

“It’s not about beating everyone else in a surface shader processing clock speed war. That’s not what they’re about. They’re about saying, we’ve got this great roster of IP, all these great characters, how do we build a piece of cost-effective hardware – they’re a business, they’ve got to make profit – that will allow our players, our very loyal Nintendo players, to interact with this IP and great worlds and characters in a new way?”

“If you think about the Wii U in that light, suddenly it makes a huge amount of sense. Suddenly we’re going to be able to explore the world of Zelda and Mario in a new way with our friends. And that’s the rationale behind that platform. It’s not a gunning war in terms of hardware. As soon as you do that, you start to think about the games in a different way. You start to get excited about what it affords you as a game designer, and players should get very excited about it as well.”

Almost made this thread until I realized it was the same one.

Hi Vgchartz. This is what I have been saying all along. Bring the games and we will forget about any other snags. Read more below.

Blitz Games Studios design director John Nash believes that too many people are spending too much time looking at Wii U specifications – rather than the games and the entertainment the system will offer consumers once it’s released this holiday season.

“It’s very easy for people to get hung up on hardware specs and technical specs. It’s great to have a massive processor that’s got a graphics pipeline that uses DX11, but what people need to focus on particularly for games going forward, is, what kind of experience can you build in the space of possibility afforded by the hardware in terms of features? Not in clock cycles. Does it connect out to the internet well? Does it connect to mobile well? How does it connect to your other friends and involve them in that experience? That’s where games are moving forwards.”

“Nintendo’s approach is to say, we’re going to package that other screen with the console straight out of the box so there’s nothing to worry about and the developers have a stable platform, whereas maybe the other platform holders are saying, maybe we’re going to involve other devices. That will bring another set of problems. Sony and Microsoft will go toe to toe again as they have done on this rev. They will do the same on the next one. Nintendo are doing something different.”

“It’s not about beating everyone else in a surface shader processing clock speed war. That’s not what they’re about. They’re about saying, we’ve got this great roster of IP, all these great characters, how do we build a piece of cost-effective hardware – they’re a business, they’ve got to make profit – that will allow our players, our very loyal Nintendo players, to interact with this IP and great worlds and characters in a new way?”

“If you think about the Wii U in that light, suddenly it makes a huge amount of sense. Suddenly we’re going to be able to explore the world of Zelda and Mario in a new way with our friends. And that’s the rationale behind that platform. It’s not a gunning war in terms of hardware. As soon as you do that, you start to think about the games in a different way. You start to get excited about what it affords you as a game designer, and players should get very excited about it as well.”

I had a quick re-read and it sounds like they've gathered info from a few different sources (both named and anonymous) from a range of articles and interviews to give the conclusions in their article.

The info in the article doesn't actually say anything to suggest the CPU is weaker, just that its clocked slower than the PS3/360 (3.2 GHz), which doesn't actually mean much. I think they have 1 dev quote which says they could see some CPU limitations for some types of games in the future, but that doesn't currently mean a whole lot. Personally, I think in that respect, they're drawing conclusions on limited information.

The inconsistencies between different devs claims are likely due to different SDK versions and at least to some degree, developer skill/game type.

But Eurogamer makes it seem like it's definitely weaker than the 360/PS3. I can't understand why though, does Eurogamer benefit from a poorly performing Nintendo platform or are they just one of the sour grapes who were against motioncontrols and can't stand the fact Nintendo was succesful with the Wii?

As for the inconsistencies. A year ago we had various statements from several big name 3rd party dev's claiming Wii U would be a lot more powerful than the HD twins. So unless Nintendo has decided to weaken the dev kits (very unlikely) I say it's all regular anti Ninty bs.

Are we clicking and reading the same article? The impression I got was that it'll be more powerful then PS3 and 360 and have more gameplay options with the tablet controller. The main quote that's highlighted in bold is "It's comparable to the current generation and a bit more powerful than that,", so I don't know why you think they're making it seem it's weaker then PS3 or 360.