Hopefully Nintendo will take up the game mentioned by Matt. Wii seriously need more hardcore games

The Truth is, it will take time, but the Wii will get that vote of confidence.

This is no news ... unfortunatly not only M games are selling badly , but many 3rd party game to ( and yes , the clear contender is Z&W for biggest dissapointment in sales ) .

So, what is his point?

Except for the third party games that sold well, third party games haven't sold well?

The problem with trying to frame it this way is it only works when the console in question is not the market leader. Which makes me wonder where all of IGN's doom-and-gloom articles about how the PSP can't sell anything at all, first or third party. I mean, The GameCube had to put up with editorials like that from fay one and the N64 even had to deal with one its first year.

Where is the outrage about Sony's 2nd-place also-ran handheld going nowhere in the market and mainly being bought by hackers?

 Edit: and YES, if you don't risk anything, you do not get any reward.  Suda 51's problems with No More Heroes is frustrating, yes, but he might want to consider that Killer 7 wasn't exactly a screaming success on the GC or PS2.  In fact, third parties should probably consider that third party games flopped on PS2 all the time.  And unfortunately for the complaining third parties, their veto power over Nintendo's market share is now gone.  They don't wanna make DS games?  That's ok, have fun making games for a market that is insistent on not buying any of them.  They don't wanna make Wii games?  Sure.  Roll the dice on the 360 and the PS3.  Just don't complain that costs are too high.

 It sounds arrogant, yes.  But it's also the reality.  Their lack of adaptation to the new market is not Nintendo's problem.  Their lack of effort and consideration of the Wii as a substandard platform only fit for shovelware is not Nintendo's problem either.  Their schizophrenic refusal to support the market leader based on self-fulfilling prophecies like demographics isn't either.  Their reluctance to support the Wii and the DS initially only gives Nintendo more money and thus more power.  They only have themselves to blame now.

Damn I don't like this trend.

Naruto why did you have to post this in the first place???? :c you know that this is already true! why keep on telling us this already?!!!

(no offense, but these 3rd party wii sales threads are really making me mad!!! we all know 3rd party wii games don't sell great! it will improve soon, but come on!!!! how many threads about this will be made????)

go back to Konoha man!!!

This guy has idea what he's talking about. Resident Evil an anomaly for being a "mature" game that does well on a Wii?

More like an anomaly for being the only existing third party franchise to put any effort on the Wii! Metroid isn't selling amazingly, but then again it never has. Citing No More Heroes as an example is also pretty weak, since Suda's games never sell well, especially in Japan. So far all the even half-way decent third party games with lots of violence have done well. RE4:Wii and Red Steel are million sellers, with Umbrella Chronicles not far behind. Manhunt 2 has always been a niche title, and no one expected it to do well.

This perceived problem is another case of the relative lack of games with a long development span on the Wii. Very few people had realised the Wii was going to be the most succesful console this gen back when the games being released now started, and publishers were caught with their pants down. All kinds of games have started development since then, but obviously the crappy ones are getting here faster.

The publishers who're unwilling to put non-casual games on the Wii are regrettable, but they'll get their act together sooner or later.

Horrible articles like this is what happens when people know a lot about games, but have an incomplete picture of sales trends and the like. Let's hope they eventually start figuring out where to get accurate sales data. =P

Actually he wasn't talking about 3rd parties not selling but mature games not selling well. Even the 3rd party offerings that have sold well like GH3 aren't overly mature so he was talking about how some publishers are wary of putting more adult titles on the Wii since they feel the audience won't buy it.

I disagree with his manhunt 2 comment though. I know it shipped as I rented it and played it. I didn't buy it because it was horrible. I don't mind a mature game. I mind a bad game.

My question would be what Mature games should have been a success, but weren't?  Whether developers choose to take the risk or not is really their own issue.  It's not as though the PS3 and 360 are a safe market either.  The difference there is you may not only end up with a flop, but a megaflop based on the development budget.  How many Lairs, Project Gotham Racing 4s, and Strangleholds can a company withstand?  I would argue not many. 

I think the major issue with this generation is games are costing so much to make that every developer is restricting themselves to "Proven formulas."  You ask why there are 100 FPSes on and in development for the Xbox 360, but that's exactly why.  That's why Call of Duty 4 is exactly like Call of Duty 2 (Yes, I do own it).  That's why Mass Effect is so similar to KOTOR. There was an interesting quote from developer Cory Balrog (GoW2 director) that said these high development costs limit creativity more than ever before.  

It's not that these factors make the games bad, but it certainly means that we aren't getting very many artistic projects on the HD consoles.  I miss the Okamis, Odin Spheres, and Viewtiful Joes that were so prevalent last generation thanks to the cheap development costs and high userbase, and I'm extremely happy to see that those artistic games are making it to the Wii. 

Will the Wii have as many big budget games as the other 2 consoles?  Absolutely not, but that's what I have a PC for.  By the time developers figure out that core games like this sell on the Wii, it will be the 3rd year of the system's life (See: The Nintendo DS for reference).  The Wii is trading that for niche games like JRPGs and artistic games like Zack & Wiki.  I have no problems with that at all.  

Most of the 3rd party games are so poor, I wouldn't be surprised if casuals were avoiding them.

Raving rabids did pretty well. You mentioned the Resident Evil games. It's a shame zack and wiki looks to be underperforming, but there aren't many deserving 3rd part games that have flooped.

It seems 3rd parties arent willing to commit the resources it takes to make decent wii games. Look at the way sega treated nights: they don't deserve to have a hit.

Maybe this will continue, maybe some developers will get things together. Currently, it seems nintendo are able to carry things on there own.