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Which film did you like better?

Dark Knight Rises 30 31.58%
 
Dark Knight 43 45.26%
 
Tie 6 6.32%
 
See the Results 13 13.68%
 
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pezus said:
vlad321 said:
pezus said:

Jesus dude...you said Batman was like Watchmen because of some minor similarities and I said The Avengers was like Thor, Iron Man etc. because of similarites (that are greater, because the characters are the exact same). Then you say they don't have all the same characters to which I respond that Watchmen does not have Batman so it can't be similar. Again, this is me using your own argument.

Then you obviously completely missed what mya rgument meant, and you still have no idea then.

No, I do but I do not agree with your argument. Actually, you should probably read d21's reply to you again because he nailed it.

Here is how things are. You either understand what I was saying, and you agree your reponse 2 posts ago was terrible. Or you don't. There really isn't a choice 3 here.



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pezus said:
vlad321 said:

Here is how things are. You either understand what I was saying, and you agree your reponse 2 posts ago was terrible. Or you don't. There really isn't a choice 3 here.

There is a 3rd choice, but I won't say it because I'd get banned for it. Now admit that this post of yours was terrible.

I should admit my post was terrible because someone gave no good reasons outside of a terrible, TERRIBLE, analogy of an argument? I don't think you know how this argument thing work, do you?



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

pezus said:
vlad321 said:
pezus said:
vlad321 said:

Here is how things are. You either understand what I was saying, and you agree your reponse 2 posts ago was terrible. Or you don't. There really isn't a choice 3 here.

There is a 3rd choice, but I won't say it because I'd get banned for it. Now admit that this post of yours was terrible.

I should admit my post was terrible because someone gave no good reasons outside of a terrible, TERRIBLE, analogy of an argument? I don't think you know how this argument thing work, do you?

I do, but I know that arguing with you produces no results so I'd rather not. 

Then here is a pro tip. Don't respond with laughably terrible posts. d21 made a good post, and he got one back.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Love them both, but i thought Avengers was better,



d21lewis said:
vlad321 said:
pezus said:
vlad321 said:
Easily Avengers. Batman was absolutely fucking awesome and badass and everything. However Come on... All these themes were explored in Watchmen (book, but the movie too I guess). Superheroes that are mortal and not really super? What they would do to save people/punish evil doers (Let's face it Rorschach completely and UTTERLY obliterates Batman when it comes to this). It's just been explored and done before already. You want to make a serious movie that explores serious areas? Well prepare to be compared to other mediums as well then.

Meanwhile you have The Avengers. There are no themes, no motifs. There's just badassery, fucking aesome, fucking awesome badassery, etc. It also has a few laughs here and there. Also did I mention fucking awesome?

I don't see anything that even compares to the modern Batman films, however Avengers has been done before and that was called Thor, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Hulk etc. 


So... Have you actually read Watchmen? Because, as I said, it basically explores the same areas as Batman, but better. Also not it hasn't. I remember a very distinct lack of Hulk in the Thor movie, and a sorely missing Thor in the Iron Man movie, etc.

So, are you talking about themes or characters or what?  Because I've read Watchmen and watched the movie and I didn't see Batman in either.  I didn't see an intimidating foe (Ozymandias was more of a "Phantom Menace"), a hero lose everything and everyone around him, or a city lose everything,  in Watchmen.  Yeah, Watchmen was about a bunch of heroes coming out of retirement and one of them having a scheme to unite the world but to say it explored everything that DKR did is just wrong.

Who had to overcome physical limitations in Watchment?  Who got raped in Batman?  Who was the person learning to become a hero in Watchmen?  Was Silk Spectre going through the same things as Catwoman? 

And you're comparing the Batman movie to the Watchmen comic?  Does that mean I can compare the Avengers movie to the first few issues of the JLA 1997?  A bunch of unique heroes coming together to topple an alien invasion?  Maybe WAtchmen DID do some things that Dark Knight Rises did but do you honestly think that the story in Avengers was something new and original?  Also, Batman was created in like 1939!  When did Watchmen come out?  If anything, the "Superhero that isn't really super" was something that Watchmen got from Batman and not the other way around!  Yeah, Watchmen kicked off an era of grittiness in the 80's but......let me calm down.

You're free to like what you like more but don't judge one movie by one standard and judge the other by a totally different standard. 


I also want to make a quick addendum to what I said before, and this will be much more spoiler-y.

 

With the "twist" that existed at the end of the movie, the reason for the extermination of so many people came down to "i have issues with you killing my daddy." Furthermore, the reason Batman ahd for saving Gotham was just along the lines of basically saying "nuh-uh, I can't hear you, lalalalalla."  There wasn't even a big Dr. Manhattan-like epiphany in the movie. The trilogy just delved more shallowly in these respects.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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sales2099 said:
Avengers was pure action summer movie.
Dark Knight had meaning in it however.

So ... what meaning did The Dark Knight Rises (I'm assuming you are referring to it instead of TDK) that makes it so much more meaningful than The Avengers.

And, as you may or may not know, I agree with a lot of what you say on here and I'm not trying to pick a fight.



pezus said:
vlad321 said:
pezus said:
vlad321 said:
pezus said:
vlad321 said:

Here is how things are. You either understand what I was saying, and you agree your reponse 2 posts ago was terrible. Or you don't. There really isn't a choice 3 here.

There is a 3rd choice, but I won't say it because I'd get banned for it. Now admit that this post of yours was terrible.

I should admit my post was terrible because someone gave no good reasons outside of a terrible, TERRIBLE, analogy of an argument? I don't think you know how this argument thing work, do you?

I do, but I know that arguing with you produces no results so I'd rather not. 

Then here is a pro tip. Don't respond with laughably terrible posts. d21 made a good post, and he got one back.

The whole idea behind your post was that you thought the idea behind Batman had been done before in other mediums. Then you say The Avengers is just badass, awesome etc. with no motifs. So because TDKR actually made an effort to have serious themes and motifs you think it's worse for it? I saw badassery in TDKR, extreme badassery and a few laughs. 

I am a little confused where you saw the badassery in batman, because I remember seeing Batman in a total of maybe 6 scenes, catwoman and Bruce had more screen time.

And you are exactly right. Batman tried to explore areas, and deeper meanings. It tried to bring deep thoughts, its goal was to get you to wonder.

None of that is true of the Avengers. Its goal isn't to make you think, or wonder, or really anything beyond what I dub in layman's terms, "awesome." It did what it tried to do exceptionally well. What Batman tried to do it did well, but not exceptionally so.

This is what you get when you try to compare two movies which aren't really even trying to be similar. I'm sorry if it rains on your peaise parade.

tl;dr: I will choose the apple that tastes better than almost all other apples, than the orange that tastes really good but is not the best orange I've had.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:

tl;dr: I will choose the apple that tastes better than almost all other apples, than the orange that tastes really good but is not the best orange I've had.


That's a response I can totally get behind.  I'm still of the camp that would rather watch Batman again but I gotta respect your reasoning.



Vlad has great reasoning.

For me of course I like above good kind of oranges more than the best type of apples, as I just don't like the taste of apple that much unless it's baked inn the oven & crushed (like Spiderman 1,2)

Depends on which fruit you like more...



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Bane is Darth Vader. Bad ass guy with a robot voice who's really scarred beneath his mask and crushes people's throats like they're nothing. Also, he works for someone wearing a dress.

The villains in Avengers are the Battle Droids from Episode 1: They're pretty much just cannon fodder for the heroes to mow throw and not really much of a threat. They all fall dead as soon as their control ship is taken out. Also, they're just tools given to somebody else by some wrinkley dude.

Since Darth Vader > Battle Droids, The Dark Knight Rises > The Avengers