Did you not see what I wrote? Many regular consumers (which are most of the people who buy consoles) have seen what we can do now and they won't see a difference next-gen. Maybe you will, maybe I will, but will my brother, will my mom? Will that other person standing next to me at Target? I seriously doubt they would! We are very close. There is only the nitty-gritty from now on that only you or someone else on an Online gaming forum could most likely notice.

Yes. People who play video games will. That's what matters for these games.

The idea that only us enthusiasts on a forum will notice improvements in graphics from now on...Ninpie, I'm going to leave it to time. You're going to be blown away like the rest of us, I'm sure of it. Just enjoy it huh

it is pretty simple, a game isn't good with bad gameplay, let the graphics be as good as possible, but better graphics for the same game improve the experience. it is a very simple formula. walk through a game with great gameplay and average graphics and you will like it a lot. make the same game with awesome graphics and you will like it even more. as better the graphics as more you will enjoy the world you are playing in.

the difference for me in a game with awesome graphcis or only average graphics is, for the game with average graphics i need 10 hours to play through, the game with awesome graphics need some more hours for me because i really enjoy the world and i will stand still plenty of times just to look at something because it looks so wonderful. if i see average fire in a game, i don't care, if i see the best fire i have ever seen in agame, i will stand there and look at it few minutes just because it looks so unbelievable great.

when i first played uncharted 2 i was wasting hours just to look at the environments. if the game wouldn't have had these graphics i wouldn't have done that. i wouldn't have thought "wow just look at this small mountain village, it is sooo wonderful"

No, I seriously can't agree with you Sal. 

The regular ole' consumer won't see those amazing super-tiny-sub-atomic pixels (I don't know what to say there obviously ) that happen when a burst of light flashes across the screen. There are things that can be improved, I know. (Non-graphics wise too.) But really how much farther can you get than what we already have? (Don't answer that question because I know what you'll say!)

lol... they sure as hell will. My brother is definitely a "regular ole' consumer" and he was floored when I showed him Tropico 4 and Crysis maxed out on my PC, and we'll be seeing better than that next gen. Keep in mind this is after seeing me play this some of this gen's best looking console games like GOW3 and UC3. SunsetMalachi doesn't play a ton of a games, (he only signed up here cause I practically forced him to lol), he was amazed with how good Batman: AC looked on my PC compared to how it looked on PS3.

I think you're grossly underestimating the regular gamer. 

lulz, you're just making shit up

http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q3-2000/082500a.html

I'm done arguing my point. It stands as it is. I don't think there can be much more* done next-gen to make a huge difference with what we can do now.

(Except with HandHelds. But that would be awhile from now.)

* I'm not saying nothing can be done, now.

@bolded Weak and unfounded, I accept that.

@underlined You are wrong. Not only in my opinion, but objectively speaking you are wrong. There is so much more we can do that isn't even close to being done yet. The limit is photo realism and crossng the uncanny valley, we are probably a decade from the former and decades from the latter.

This is a somewhat harsh reply, so I'll end it with this:

Which I hope you know is not necessary.