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Andrespetmonkey on 16 July 2012
Slimebeast said:

I didn't say that. Because Sony fans praise everything from Sony doesn't mean that they can't genuinely like some things. Nathan Drake, Sully and the women in Uncharted are genuinly likable, top quality characters.

With other products, when the quality isn't right there, Sony fans praise it anyway. And it's that phenomenon that I hate. It's called fanboyism.

@Bolded All of the big 3 have their vocal minorities who'd be considered "fanboys," I think it's unfair the way you 1: dictate when quality is or isn't there and 2: group all Sony fans into the sony fanboy group. I would consider myself a Sony fan, or rather a Playstation fan (among other platforms), but that doesn't mean I blindly love everything a first party studio develops and I'm fanatical about all things Sony. 

 Why does John Marston "slay these characters"? I'm interested in this, I mean I just finished Undead nightmare and I can't get enough of Marston, but I find this an odd thing to say. As good as Marston is (or most RS protagonists for that matter), I don't see how Joel can be seen as a lesser character yet. We don't know that much about the characters in TLOU and what we do know and we've seen has indicated nothing less than fleshed out and intriguing imo. 



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o_O.Q on 16 July 2012
Slimebeast said:
o_O.Q said:
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:
Yeah I am bitter because my fellow gamers are eating crap when they could eat milk and honey.

Objectively speaking, John Marston slays these characters. I truly do not believe people actually feel a yota for these two, they just pretend they do because they want so badly to have another great Sony game.

The biggest reason you hear all praise on the internet for Ellie and this game is because it's a Sony exclusive. That's not objective.

Are you serious? You really think people don't genuinely like Nathan Drake or Sully for example? You're actually deluded if you think that. 

I'm not sold on Ellie yet, but Joel sounds very compelling to me. Why does John Marston "slay these characters"?

I didn't say that. Because Sony fans praise everything from Sony doesn't mean that they can't genuinely like some things. Nathan Drake, Sully and the women in Uncharted are genuinly likable, top quality characters.

With other products, when the quality isn't right there, Sony fans praise it anyway. And it's that phenomenon that I hate. It's called fanboyism.

who determines that the quality isn't there?

i'd have to assume its you... and if thats true does that mean that you're calling anyone who doesn't agree with your views on games a fanboy?

oh wait sorry i forgot you basically said that here

"Yeah I am bitter because my fellow gamers are eating crap when they could eat milk and honey"

No. Re-read and come back.

ok i'll try to understand

who determines whats crap and whats milk and honey?



M.U.G.E.N on 16 July 2012

Slimbeast, kindly just stay out of Naughty Dog game threads



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SnakeDrake on 16 July 2012
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:
Yeah I am bitter because my fellow gamers are eating crap when they could eat milk and honey.

Objectively speaking, John Marston slays these characters. I truly do not believe people actually feel a yota for these two, they just pretend they do because they want so badly to have another great Sony game.

The biggest reason you hear all praise on the internet for Ellie and this game is because it's a Sony exclusive. That's not objective.

Are you serious? You really think people don't genuinely like Nathan Drake or Sully for example? You're actually deluded if you think that. 

I'm not sold on Ellie yet, but Joel sounds very compelling to me. Why does John Marston "slay these characters"?

I didn't say that. Because Sony fans praise everything from Sony doesn't mean that they can't genuinely like some things. Nathan Drake, Sully and the women in Uncharted are genuinly likable, top quality characters.

With other products, when the quality isn't right there, Sony fans praise it anyway. And it's that phenomenon that I hate. It's called fanboyism.

Well people love zombies regardless of exclusively or not, so there :P



 

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Andrespetmonkey on 16 July 2012
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:

You have a point, but my point is a reaction on the reactions. People react on this simple 3 minute clip as if it's something special, as if the story and characters are interesting. They are not.

Correction: They are not to you. And that's fine, but you can't speak on behalf of everyone else.



A critic of any culture or art typically tries to speak his opinion on behalf of more than just himself.

The poop that came out of my dog today is objectively not beautiful to watch or nice to smell.

The Hansons and Justin Bieber are garbage artists no matter how many young, ignorant girls out there happen to listen to them. And I speak on behalf of more than just myself.

It's clear that people are finding the story and characters in TLOU interesting, hence the reactions. How can you decide what others find interesting?





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Jay520 on 16 July 2012

If I could enter TLoU universe for two minutes, I'd use those two minutes to punch Ellie in the face, and then I would leave TLoU universe.

Seriously, she's an asshole. You can't go around beating one of the only persons that doesn't try to eat or kill you. And I don't like her aggressive language towards the guy when he's talking to Joel. It's not nice for one. But it also doesn't encourage him to help out. She doesn't seem very smart.



xKakashi209x on 16 July 2012
Jay520 said:
If I were I could enter TLoU universe for two minutes, I'd use those two minutes to punch Ellie in the face, and then I would leave TLoU universe.

Seriously, she's an asshole. You can't go around beating one of the only persons that doesn't try to eat or kill you. And I don't like her aggressive language towards the guy when he's talking to Joel. It's not nice for one. But it also doesn't encourage him to help out. She doesn't seem very smart.

How can you say that when you don't know what kind of things she has gone through? I mean come on she grew up in a crazy apocalyptic world where everyone is your enemy. For one if a guy hand cuffed you into a pipe and pointed a gun towards the only person you trust in this world what would you do? Would you just sit there and possibly watch the person you care about die? 



Slimebeast on 16 July 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:

I didn't say that. Because Sony fans praise everything from Sony doesn't mean that they can't genuinely like some things. Nathan Drake, Sully and the women in Uncharted are genuinly likable, top quality characters.

With other products, when the quality isn't right there, Sony fans praise it anyway. And it's that phenomenon that I hate. It's called fanboyism.

@Bolded All of the big 3 have their vocal minorities who'd be considered "fanboys," I think it's unfair the way you 1: dictate when quality is or isn't there and 2: group all Sony fans into the sony fanboy group. I would consider myself a Sony fan, or rather a Playstation fan (among other platforms), but that doesn't mean I blindly love everything a first party studio develops and I'm fanatical about all things Sony. 

 Why does John Marston "slay these characters"? I'm interested in this, I mean I just finished Undead nightmare and I can't get enough of Marston, but I find this an odd thing to say. As good as Marston is (or most RS protagonists for that matter), I don't see how Joel can be seen as a lesser character yet. We don't know that much about the characters in TLOU and what we do know and we've seen has indicated nothing less than fleshed out and intriguing imo. 

I might present it in a brutish way, but it's my opinion that right now with The Last of Us we see a lot of fanboy-based overrating and praise going on. I wish I could express it in a more elegant way. I do not say Sony fans or any fans love and praise everything from their respective companies, but they overrate it. That's a key element in being a fan or fanboy.

John Marston's character has so many elements of a great character. Elements that generally speaking appeal to a lot of people. He is extremely charismatic, has perfect portions of warmth, sympathy, nastyness, irony and humour, among other character feats. Much like Nathan Drake.

Joel seems to be the opposite.

Are you familiar with the action flick actors Steven Seagal and Jeann-Claude Van Damme? They are universally seen as terrible actors without any form of charisma.

I'm not saying Joel is Steven Seagal because I don't know him that well yet, but for illustrative purposes:

If John Marston is Clint Eastwood then Joel is Steven Seagal.



brendude13 on 16 July 2012
Slimebeast said:

The Hansons and Justin Bieber are garbage artists no matter how many young, ignorant girls out there happen to listen to them. And I speak on behalf of more than just myself.

Oblivion sucks.





xKakashi209x on 16 July 2012
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:

I didn't say that. Because Sony fans praise everything from Sony doesn't mean that they can't genuinely like some things. Nathan Drake, Sully and the women in Uncharted are genuinly likable, top quality characters.

With other products, when the quality isn't right there, Sony fans praise it anyway. And it's that phenomenon that I hate. It's called fanboyism.

@Bolded All of the big 3 have their vocal minorities who'd be considered "fanboys," I think it's unfair the way you 1: dictate when quality is or isn't there and 2: group all Sony fans into the sony fanboy group. I would consider myself a Sony fan, or rather a Playstation fan (among other platforms), but that doesn't mean I blindly love everything a first party studio develops and I'm fanatical about all things Sony. 

 Why does John Marston "slay these characters"? I'm interested in this, I mean I just finished Undead nightmare and I can't get enough of Marston, but I find this an odd thing to say. As good as Marston is (or most RS protagonists for that matter), I don't see how Joel can be seen as a lesser character yet. We don't know that much about the characters in TLOU and what we do know and we've seen has indicated nothing less than fleshed out and intriguing imo. 

I might present it in a brutish way, but it's my opinion that right now with The Last of Us we see a lot of fanboy-based overrating and praise going on. I wish I could express it in a more elegant way. I do not say Sony fans or any fans love and praise everything from their respective companies, but they overrate it. That's a key element in being a fan or fanboy.

John Marston's character has so many elements of a great character. Elements that generally speaking appeal to a lot of people. He is extremely charismatic, has perfect portions of warmth, sympathy, nastyness, irony and humour, among other character feats. Much like Nathan Drake.

Joel seems to be the opposite.

Are you familiar with the action flick actors Steven Seagal and Jeann-Claude Van Damme? They are universally seen as terrible actors without any form of charisma.

I'm not saying Joel is Steven Seagal because I don't know him that well yet, but for illustrative purposes:

If John Marston is Clint Eastwood then Joel is Steven Seagal.


You keep saying you don't know joel yet and his character but still compare him to being steven seagal isn't that a contradiction?