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DirtyP2002 on 06 July 2012
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:

arguing with cookingyourmama is like banging your head against a wall. You might break the wall, but it isn't worth it.

Please prove me wrong with facts or go away and stop trolling, thank you.


you are prove-resistant.

Check my sig for example.

or try to explain why it is just natural that the Xbox 360 has 3  times more consoles in stores than the PS3.
You come up with so much nonsense like Microsoft-stores ordering more than they need as if the % of MS stores of all the stores worldwide that sell 360s would be significant.

How can you overship in the first place? Retailers ORDER from MS. IF they have enough consoles in supply, why  should they order more? Because MS goes to Gamestop telling "buy them or we will punish you!" ?!

We are talking about messed up VGC data and you try to prove people wrong with... VGC data from last year.

Anyway. Head, wall, hurting.

Volume discount? Does that factor into these calculations?

Oh and last time, that was me saying MS over-ordered. I was told it didn't make sense for only MS stores to order that much. The word came out that they had a pseudo price-drop. Then all big retailers had the same thing. Crazy huh?

 

Holiday season last year: Retailes over-ordered! They expected more sales, because of the insane black friday business! It is okay to almost double the  days of supply for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3!

March 2012: $399 Kinect Star Wars bundle (how mass market is that price tag?)  made retailers order more 360s, even though they had plenty of supply. It is okay to more than triple the days of supply for the Xbos 360 compared to the PS3.

June 2012 (without any numbers revealed! Yet damage control already working!):Retailers are ordering just because the $99 sale, which turns out to be a $459 deal. It is okay for the Xbox 360 to have more supply.

 

Just wait till we get the numbers. Maybe MS ships 0.6 million and VGC is right.

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct

yeah, because MS has 1 million consoles more in stock than any other hardware manufacturer for your reasons I mentioned above.



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bananaking21 on 06 July 2012

i dont expect to be a big difference between MS and sony shipments. i think the difference will be between 0.4 - 0.7 million in sony's favor



theprof00 on 06 July 2012
DirtyP2002 said:

 

Holiday season last year: Retailes over-ordered! They expected more sales, because of the insane black friday business! It is okay to almost double the  days of supply for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3!

March 2012: $399 Kinect Star Wars bundle (how mass market is that price tag?)  made retailers order more 360s, even though they had plenty of supply. It is okay to more than triple the days of supply for the Xbos 360 compared to the PS3.

June 2012 (without any numbers revealed! Yet damage control already working!):Retailers are ordering just because the $99 sale, which turns out to be a $459 deal. It is okay for the Xbox 360 to have more supply.

 

Just wait till we get the numbers. Maybe MS ships 0.6 million and VGC is right.

There's the 99$ deal at every major retailer and you don't think retailers overordered?



cookingyourmama on 06 July 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:

arguing with cookingyourmama is like banging your head against a wall. You might break the wall, but it isn't worth it.

Please prove me wrong with facts or go away and stop trolling, thank you.


you are prove-resistant.

Check my sig for example.

or try to explain why it is just natural that the Xbox 360 has 3  times more consoles in stores than the PS3.
You come up with so much nonsense like Microsoft-stores ordering more than they need as if the % of MS stores of all the stores worldwide that sell 360s would be significant.

How can you overship in the first place? Retailers ORDER from MS. IF they have enough consoles in supply, why  should they order more? Because MS goes to Gamestop telling "buy them or we will punish you!" ?!

We are talking about messed up VGC data and you try to prove people wrong with... VGC data from last year.

Anyway. Head, wall, hurting.

Volume discount? Does that factor into these calculations?

Oh and last time, that was me saying MS over-ordered. I was told it didn't make sense for only MS stores to order that much. The word came out that they had a pseudo price-drop. Then all big retailers had the same thing. Crazy huh?

 

Holiday season last year: Retailes over-ordered! They expected more sales, because of the insane black friday business! It is okay to almost double the  days of supply for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3!

March 2012: $399 Kinect Star Wars bundle (how mass market is that price tag?)  made retailers order more 360s, even though they had plenty of supply. It is okay to more than triple the days of supply for the Xbos 360 compared to the PS3.

June 2012 (without any numbers revealed! Yet damage control already working!):Retailers are ordering just because the $99 sale, which turns out to be a $459 deal. It is okay for the Xbox 360 to have more supply.

 

Just wait till we get the numbers. Maybe MS ships 0.6 million and VGC is right.

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct

yeah, because MS has 1 million consoles more in stock than any other hardware manufacturer for your reasons I mentioned above.

Glad you agree



happydolphin on 06 July 2012

Guys, question. VGChartz displayed # sold by retailers or # sold by manufacturers? I was always under the impression it was the # sold by retailers.

Also, undershipping is possible if there is excess stock amiright?



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cookingyourmama on 07 July 2012
kowenicki said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:

arguing with cookingyourmama is like banging your head against a wall. You might break the wall, but it isn't worth it.

Please prove me wrong with facts or go away and stop trolling, thank you.


you are prove-resistant.

Check my sig for example.

or try to explain why it is just natural that the Xbox 360 has 3  times more consoles in stores than the PS3.
You come up with so much nonsense like Microsoft-stores ordering more than they need as if the % of MS stores of all the stores worldwide that sell 360s would be significant.

How can you overship in the first place? Retailers ORDER from MS. IF they have enough consoles in supply, why  should they order more? Because MS goes to Gamestop telling "buy them or we will punish you!" ?!

We are talking about messed up VGC data and you try to prove people wrong with... VGC data from last year.

Anyway. Head, wall, hurting.

Volume discount? Does that factor into these calculations?

Oh and last time, that was me saying MS over-ordered. I was told it didn't make sense for only MS stores to order that much. The word came out that they had a pseudo price-drop. Then all big retailers had the same thing. Crazy huh?

 

Holiday season last year: Retailes over-ordered! They expected more sales, because of the insane black friday business! It is okay to almost double the  days of supply for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3!

March 2012: $399 Kinect Star Wars bundle (how mass market is that price tag?)  made retailers order more 360s, even though they had plenty of supply. It is okay to more than triple the days of supply for the Xbos 360 compared to the PS3.

June 2012 (without any numbers revealed! Yet damage control already working!):Retailers are ordering just because the $99 sale, which turns out to be a $459 deal. It is okay for the Xbox 360 to have more supply.

 

Just wait till we get the numbers. Maybe MS ships 0.6 million and VGC is right.

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct


you are special... you really are.

0.6 would mean theat VGC is bang on..

Nope you're wrong, i've already proved that at this time of year it is normal for Microsoft to have 0.97 - 1.31 million 360's in the retail chain, so please stop spreading your FUD in this thread. What i said is correct:

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct

Thank you.



DirtyP2002 on 07 July 2012
kowenicki said:
as for the financials...?

Ninty slight loss (silly currency expectations)?

Sony corp sizable loss? (silly currency predictions unless cost cutting has been massive)

MS corp sizable loss (due to recent write off - but overlying hefty profits)


Note: I am NOT talking about the Playstation or Xbox divisions here... for one very good reason - such divisions mo longer exist.


Sony is hard to predict, they always have these "OMG I didn't know it was that bad" moments.
Nintendo might be more positive than we think.
MS as you described. But that won't save us from "HOLY SHI111T MS IS BROKE. APPLE KILLED THEM!" comments.



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cookingyourmama on 07 July 2012
kowenicki said:
cookingyourmama said:
kowenicki said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:

arguing with cookingyourmama is like banging your head against a wall. You might break the wall, but it isn't worth it.

Please prove me wrong with facts or go away and stop trolling, thank you.


you are prove-resistant.

Check my sig for example.

or try to explain why it is just natural that the Xbox 360 has 3  times more consoles in stores than the PS3.
You come up with so much nonsense like Microsoft-stores ordering more than they need as if the % of MS stores of all the stores worldwide that sell 360s would be significant.

How can you overship in the first place? Retailers ORDER from MS. IF they have enough consoles in supply, why  should they order more? Because MS goes to Gamestop telling "buy them or we will punish you!" ?!

We are talking about messed up VGC data and you try to prove people wrong with... VGC data from last year.

Anyway. Head, wall, hurting.

Volume discount? Does that factor into these calculations?

Oh and last time, that was me saying MS over-ordered. I was told it didn't make sense for only MS stores to order that much. The word came out that they had a pseudo price-drop. Then all big retailers had the same thing. Crazy huh?

 

Holiday season last year: Retailes over-ordered! They expected more sales, because of the insane black friday business! It is okay to almost double the  days of supply for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3!

March 2012: $399 Kinect Star Wars bundle (how mass market is that price tag?)  made retailers order more 360s, even though they had plenty of supply. It is okay to more than triple the days of supply for the Xbos 360 compared to the PS3.

June 2012 (without any numbers revealed! Yet damage control already working!):Retailers are ordering just because the $99 sale, which turns out to be a $459 deal. It is okay for the Xbox 360 to have more supply.

 

Just wait till we get the numbers. Maybe MS ships 0.6 million and VGC is right.

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct


you are special... you really are.

0.6 would mean theat VGC is bang on..

Nope you're wrong, i've already proved that at this time of year it is normal for Microsoft to have 0.97 - 1.31 million 360's in the retail chain, so please stop spreading your FUD in this thread. What i said is correct:

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct

Thank you.

no... you stop portraying your broken logis as fact... history is irrelevant in a market that is falling with declining sales towards the end of a gen.  Your damage limitation is frankly pretty embarrassing.

You honestly believe that if MS has 1.28m in supply with currently average weekly sales of 80 to 90k (and falling) going forward then that is correct?  That is 15 weeks of supply!  almost 4 months!! 

but 600k shipped and in supply which would be 7 weeks, almost 2 months... would mean its overtracked? 

funny... this is funny.

Oh dear, you couldn't be more wrong again if you tried, looks like i'll have to prove you wrong again with more facts.

Apart from the fact that i have proven that since the start of this generation at this time of year Microsoft has ALWAYS had between 0.97 million and 1.31 million xbox360's in the retail chain, you want to keep deluding yourself that Microsoft having just 0.60 million in the retail chain at the end of this quarter is some how normal, lol.

But hey lets talk about the days of retail supply, since you keep banging on about it. Since the start of this generation Microsoft have had the following average weekly sales for each quarter ending the month of June:

2006 -    98,000
2007 -    79,000
2008 -  117,000
2009 -  106,000
2010 -  128,000
2011 -  144,000

And at the end of each of those quarters Microsoft have had the following amounts of xbox360's in the retail chain:

2006 -  1.30 million
2007 -  1.21 million
2008 -  1.31 million
2009 -  1.28 million
2010 -  1.27 million
2011 -  0.97 million

When you look at how many days worth of supply that works out to you get:

2006 =  93 days
2007 = 107 days
2008 =  78 days
2009 =  85 days
2010 =  70 days
2011 =  47 days

That's a range of 47 to 107 days worth of supply in the retail chain with the average being 80 days.

Wether you like the FACT or not Microsoft like to have anything from a 7 to 15 WEEKS worth of supply in the retail channel at this time of year with the average being 11 and a half weeks

For the quarter that has just gone by Microsoft averaged 99,000 xbox360's per week. Just taking the average of Microsoft liking to have 80 days worth of supply that means MS would ship 1,132,000 Million consoles. Your 600,000 which you keep pulling out of your *** is completely deluded and void of fact.



cookingyourmama on 07 July 2012
kowenicki said:
cookingyourmama said:
kowenicki said:
cookingyourmama said:
kowenicki said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:
theprof00 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
cookingyourmama said:
DirtyP2002 said:

arguing with cookingyourmama is like banging your head against a wall. You might break the wall, but it isn't worth it.

Please prove me wrong with facts or go away and stop trolling, thank you.


you are prove-resistant.

Check my sig for example.

or try to explain why it is just natural that the Xbox 360 has 3  times more consoles in stores than the PS3.
You come up with so much nonsense like Microsoft-stores ordering more than they need as if the % of MS stores of all the stores worldwide that sell 360s would be significant.

How can you overship in the first place? Retailers ORDER from MS. IF they have enough consoles in supply, why  should they order more? Because MS goes to Gamestop telling "buy them or we will punish you!" ?!

We are talking about messed up VGC data and you try to prove people wrong with... VGC data from last year.

Anyway. Head, wall, hurting.

Volume discount? Does that factor into these calculations?

Oh and last time, that was me saying MS over-ordered. I was told it didn't make sense for only MS stores to order that much. The word came out that they had a pseudo price-drop. Then all big retailers had the same thing. Crazy huh?

 

Holiday season last year: Retailes over-ordered! They expected more sales, because of the insane black friday business! It is okay to almost double the  days of supply for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3!

March 2012: $399 Kinect Star Wars bundle (how mass market is that price tag?)  made retailers order more 360s, even though they had plenty of supply. It is okay to more than triple the days of supply for the Xbos 360 compared to the PS3.

June 2012 (without any numbers revealed! Yet damage control already working!):Retailers are ordering just because the $99 sale, which turns out to be a $459 deal. It is okay for the Xbox 360 to have more supply.

 

Just wait till we get the numbers. Maybe MS ships 0.6 million and VGC is right.

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct


you are special... you really are.

0.6 would mean theat VGC is bang on..

Nope you're wrong, i've already proved that at this time of year it is normal for Microsoft to have 0.97 - 1.31 million 360's in the retail chain, so please stop spreading your FUD in this thread. What i said is correct:

If Microsoft ships 0.6 million then Vgchartz is over tracking the 360, If MS ships between 0.94 - 1.28 million THEN Vgchartz would be correct

Thank you.

no... you stop portraying your broken logis as fact... history is irrelevant in a market that is falling with declining sales towards the end of a gen.  Your damage limitation is frankly pretty embarrassing.

You honestly believe that if MS has 1.28m in supply with currently average weekly sales of 80 to 90k (and falling) going forward then that is correct?  That is 15 weeks of supply!  almost 4 months!! 

but 600k shipped and in supply which would be 7 weeks, almost 2 months... would mean its overtracked? 

funny... this is funny.

Oh dear, you couldn't be more wrong again if you tried, looks like i'll have to prove you wrong again with more facts.

Apart from the fact that i have proven that since the start of this generation at this time of year Microsoft has ALWAYS had between 0.97 million and 1.31 million xbox360's in the retail chain, you want to keep deluding yourself that Microsoft having just 0.60 million in the retail chain at the end of this quarter is some how normal, lol.

But hey lets talk about the days of retail supply, since you keep banging on about it. Since the start of this generation Microsoft have had the following average weekly sales for each quarter ending the month of June:

2006 -    98,000
2007 -    79,000
2008 -  117,000
2009 -  106,000
2010 -  128,000
2011 -  144,000

And at the end of each of those quarters Microsoft have had the following amounts of xbox360's in the retail chain:

2006 -  1.30 million
2007 -  1.21 million
2008 -  1.31 million
2009 -  1.28 million
2010 -  1.27 million
2011 -  0.97 million

When you look at how many days worth of supply that works out to you get:

2006 =  93 days
2007 = 107 days
2008 =  78 days
2009 =  85 days
2010 =  70 days
2011 =  47 days

That's a range of 47 to 107 days worth of supply in the retail chain with the average being 80 days.

Wether you like the FACT or not Microsoft like to have anything from a 7 to 15 WEEKS worth of supply in the retail channel at this time of year with the average being 11 and a half weeks

For the quarter that has just gone by Microsoft averaged 99,000 xbox360's per week. Just taking the average of Microsoft liking to have 80 days worth of supply that means MS would ship 1,132,000 Million consoles. Your 600,000 which you keep pulling out of your *** is completely deluded and void of fact.

History again... thanks... averages... thanks?  supply in June 2011 was 47 days... you think retailers will be buying enough to take that to over 100 days of supply given the OBVIOUS decline in sales and given the fact that most (including you) thought they over supplied in EACH of the last two quarters, over supply on top of over supply on top of over supply? 

..........?

Cherry picking only one year and only one aspect of it ignoring every other single fact again? Thanks. Just because in one quarter of one year out of dozens of quarters that number is close (still higher than what you say actually, lol) to what you want it to be doesn't make it a fact.

Having over 2 months worth of supply is normal for MS wether you like it or not.

And on top of that Microsoft were selling less per week in 2006 and 2007 compared to 2012 yet they still had over 1.2 million in the retail chain.



Jazz2K on 07 July 2012

Guys, reduce the quotes plz thanks...

Also, would a company ship the same amount regardless of the sales? And would retailers accept this?