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bouzane on 20 June 2012
superchunk said:
ugh... so PS4 to lose millions for years and cost over $600 at launch?


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Persistantthug on 20 June 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
Persistantthug said:


Incorrect sir.

The thing "holding developers back", as you put it, is BUDGET(as well as a bad economy).

 

Example?  THE GREATEST PC GAMING stuff you can buy right now, and you still won't be getting NEXT GEN Software.

You've got some PC exclusives, such as DIABLO 3.....a AAA budget game, but guess what?  DIABLO 3 is last gen software tech.

Then you've go other PC exclusives....you've got THE WITCHER 2......BLACKLIGHT.....STAR WARS:TOR....HARD RESET, and the upcoming GUILD WARS 2.

All, nice games for sure, but none of those games is pushing next gen software boundaries.....not a 1.....they are all current gen tech.   If you can come up with 1, you can PM me....but we'll both be waiting a long time.

Considering that developers are having a hell of a time just staying in business right now, then it's not wonder most developers outside of some elite ones that you can count on 1 hand, are saying that they'd like this gen to go on for a bit longer.

Bringing a new consoles sooner rather than later, won't bring 10 times the graphics or 10 times the gameplay, as much as it will bring 10 times the bankruptcy.

PC isn't a factor to me. Big budget multiplat games are designed primarily for consoles. Hence, if there were technically superior consoles the PC would also get visually superior games.

I believe the primary reason Diablo 3 has current gen graphics is so that it's accessible to more consumers. I see people playing Diablo 3 on the same old PC or laptop they've had for years. If Blizzard made Diablo 3 with next gen caliber graphics then less people would be able to play it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems the best selling PC games generally have relatively low requirements. Which make them accessible to more people.


But you're still neglecting the fact that developers still have to tow along  the proverbial "WALMART PC" for the ride.

That was actually what I was getting at, and that's why I boldfaced that second paragraph.....because that doesn't change.



Persistantthug on 20 June 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
Heavenly_King said:
Mr Puggsly said:
NightDragon83 said:

Guess we won't be seeing the PS4 anytime soon. Even the best looking stuff shown at this year's E3 didn't demonstrate a "significant leap" over the current gen. And yes, that includes the Unreal Engine 4 tech demo. Good luck getting actual games to look that good.

No, its just hype to get people excited about PS4.

UE4 does not look that great.   Luminous engine on the other hand is a BEAST!

Eitherway, the current consoles have pretty much hit a wall. For the past few years the visual improvements haven't been significant.

The only thing holding developers back from giving us significantly better looking games is the limitations of the current hardware.


Also,

What are you talking about?  What do you mean the current consoles have "hit a wall"

At E3 We just saw BEYOND, THE LAST OF US, and WATCH DOGS.

 

Those games were cutting edge and looked GREAT, and everyone says so.....everyone. 

No new consoles needed.



Nem on 20 June 2012

I've been thinking about it and i came to the conclusion that "significant leap" = "when microsoft announces the new Xbox".



Andrespetmonkey on 20 June 2012
Persistantthug said:Also,

What are you talking about?  What do you mean the current consoles have "hit a wall"

At E3 We just saw BEYOND, THE LAST OF US, and WATCH DOGS.

 

Those games were cutting edge and looked GREAT, and everyone says so.....everyone. 

No new consoles needed.

Watch Dogs was running on a high end PC, the PS360 versions won't look anywhere near as good.

TLOU, whilst pretty, was running on practically the exact same engine as U3. It's not like each Uncharted, where they've improved the visuals with each game, now they have pretty much reached the limit. And that's why TLOU isn't running on a newer version of the ND engine, it's running on the same version as U3.

BEYOND is new and looks great, I'll give you that. 



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Persistantthug on 20 June 2012

Watch Dogs will end up looking great on consoles just like every other game E3 has ever shown.

 

The Last Of us is cutting edge, and that's why it was nominated for various best of show awards.

http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/nominees.html

Sorry you can't see that.



Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2012
Persistantthug said:


Also,

What are you talking about?  What do you mean the current consoles have "hit a wall"

At E3 We just saw BEYOND, THE LAST OF US, and WATCH DOGS.

 

Those games were cutting edge and looked GREAT, and everyone says so.....everyone. 

No new consoles needed.

Maybe we should wait for those games to release before we get too excited about the graphics. And bear in mind these same games could look and perform significantly better on more cutting edge hardware.

The lack of four player split screen games alone is proof we need new machines.



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 20 June 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
Persistantthug said:


Also,

What are you talking about?  What do you mean the current consoles have "hit a wall"

At E3 We just saw BEYOND, THE LAST OF US, and WATCH DOGS.

 

Those games were cutting edge and looked GREAT, and everyone says so.....everyone. 

No new consoles needed.

Maybe we should wait for those games to release before we get too excited about the graphics. And bear in mind these same games could look and perform significantly better on more cutting edge hardware.

The lack of four player split screen games alone is proof we need new machines.


i cant say how much I agree in your statement just then. 

 

I cant wait for next gen as it could possibly be the gen of splitscreens!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!! MOAR PARTY!!!!



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Jay520 on 20 June 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
Persistantthug said:


Also,

What are you talking about?  What do you mean the current consoles have "hit a wall"

At E3 We just saw BEYOND, THE LAST OF US, and WATCH DOGS.

 

Those games were cutting edge and looked GREAT, and everyone says so.....everyone. 

No new consoles needed.

Maybe we should wait for those games to release before we get too excited about the graphics. And bear in mind these same games could look and perform significantly better on more cutting edge hardware.

The lack of four player split screen games alone is proof we need new machines.



I wouldn't say we need more power for four-player splitscreen. Games like Halo and Call of Duty do 4 player and they look great, unless you're a dirty graphic whore.

Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2012
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Persistantthug said:


Also,

What are you talking about?  What do you mean the current consoles have "hit a wall"

At E3 We just saw BEYOND, THE LAST OF US, and WATCH DOGS.

 

Those games were cutting edge and looked GREAT, and everyone says so.....everyone. 

No new consoles needed.

Maybe we should wait for those games to release before we get too excited about the graphics. And bear in mind these same games could look and perform significantly better on more cutting edge hardware.

The lack of four player split screen games alone is proof we need new machines.


I wouldn't say we need more power for four-player splitscreen. Games like Halo and Call of Duty do 4 player and they look great, unless you're a dirty graphic whore.

Well put...

Eitherway, there are too few games with four player split screen. I hope this is addressed in next gen platforms.



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