It's hard to believe we're at a point where new games don't matter. That was my "issue" really, I was surprised that with so few big hitters like before (100k openings we used to have), so many consoles are being bought, and I wanted to understand why using sales data.

Looks like without numbers of digital sales or 2nd hand game sales, we're really out of tools. But, I did provide the retail sales list for US, and there was enough there to justify 30k in the US. Who knows, maybe it's the same for EU. Maybe I'll make the list.

What I mean is that there were alot of older titles that, odds are, are being bought by new owners (previous owners would likely have bought them already).

With all your logic CGI, it's curious how the poll leans in favor or new Core customers. What does that tell you, that they aren't applying your logic.

With all that, it's curious how the poll leans in favor or new Core customers. What does that tell you, that they aren't applying your logic? Maybe it isn't that simple, and some people don't see it as easily as you do.

Why pay full price for new games when you can buy older ones new or used for much cheaper. given how many exclusives sony releases every year, there are a lot of games to choose from while you wait for the newer games to drop in price

and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't put much faith in the software sales on VGC, especially outside of US/UK and JP. 

Honestly if I was a new PS buyer, I would just buy PS+ and save some money. There are like 12 games given to ps plus users now including high quality stuff like LBP2, Infamous 2 etc. Fantastic deal overall

Also HappyD, most of the recently released games are American oriented games that do a lot better on the 360 in comparison to the PS3.

Quite true. So, at this point guys, it's not a good idea to judge system sellers in retail sales, since at this stage in the console's life, it has alot of value above and beyond sales of new retail games.

Funny thing is, as a consumer I'm aware of that (you know why), but looking at the data I'm just so used to looking at retail sales that the reality of it escaped me. Having said that, maybe I'm not so uncommon given the poll results.

 I'm glad I asked.

Hehe, no, that's not what I meant. I meant it's proof of the views of certain folks, not of reality. With that, see what I meant in my post, it should make sense.

How is the last of us a forever lost game?

Also, the PS3 had the highest software sales of all consoles. People are just buying old games.

Plenty of reasons. Free online, it's now more reasonably priced, good bundles available, good value for money, blue ray and above all, the amazing catalogue of games- third party and most importantly first party exclusives.

The circle is now complete.