scottie said: GT6 for launch? Lawl GT4 2004 GT5 2010 GT6/PS4 2016

You forgot Tourist Trophy (2006), GT HD (2007) and GTPSP (2009).

GT5 Prologue released in December 07 and GT5 released in November '10. With PS4 being easier to develop for and PD already having a bunch of "premium" models for cars, I dont think GT6 will take as long as people expect. Can see GT6 Prologue been announced at TGS for an early 2013 release and GT6 within a Year and half.

Jay520 said: Conegamer said: 1. They wouldn't be making a profit at that, they can't afford not to. 2. Only 1 of those games has a chance of coming at launch, and that's the New IP. 3. It'll be hard, but the most likely. 4. Looking at the Vita, that ain't gonna happen. I hope Sony are gonna change after their lackluster Vita launch, I really do but from current trends, it doesn't seem likely. 1. I'm not sure how you've reached that conclusion. It's more likely that the PS4 won't be as the PS3 after what Sony learned this gen. Also, a while ago a Sony spokesperson said Playstation hardware will be cheaper & would sell at a profit. How did you reach your conclusion. I reached the conclusion from the rumoured specs linked in the OP, and the fact for it to retail at $400 would only be $30 or so more than manufacturing costs. So that $30 would have to include the sale to retailers, and profit from retailers, otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile. For retailers to make a profit at $400, they'd hve to sell it to them at $330-$340,  2.) Uncharted 4 definitely has a chance. You may believe this because Naughty Dog is releasing The Last Of Us next year. While that is true, keep in mind that, said they had two different teams. One for The Last of Us and one for Uncharted. Also keep in mind that launch could be the year a system launches, or the following year. That means the launch for the PS4 will be 2013/2014. The team that developed should be able to make this deadline since it'll be 2-3 years after Uncharted 3 released. After the Vita iteration of Uncharted, it's clear it isn't really a system seller. And, I doubt they'll be able to turn it around in time, unless they've been working on it before the UC3 release, or even if the console releases in late 2014. You're probably right about Gran Turismo, but Sony said the PS4 will be a lot easier to develop for, so that could allow for GT6 at launch. I wouldn't bet on it but it definitely has a chance. If not we'll surely see a GT6: Prologue. A GT6 Prologue? Perhaps. But the full version won't be out for years after launch. And third-parties will be there more than likely as well. 3. We'll see. I doubt it'll match Steam. Probably not even Live. 4. Sony has shown some good marketing for the PS3 itself. For instance, the 2009 Slim adverts were good. They also show excellent promotion for their 90+ rated games like Uncharted or God of War 3. In some special instances, the promote games even if they don't have mainly 90+ reviews. Example: Gran Turismo. Sony just doesn't market their sub-90 rated games welll, like inFamous, MAG, Ratchet & Clank. Though some games can be sub-90 and still receive a fairly large promotion, like Resistance 3. Yes, but they don't seem to be continuing this trend with the PSV, and the initial PS3 ads were pretty poor. Sony, for whatever reason, seem to have difficulty marketing their new consoles. We shall see.

I hope Sony can get things together, but from the Vita launch, it doesn't seem so.

Carl2291 said: scottie said: GT6 for launch? Lawl GT4 2004 GT5 2010 GT6/PS4 2016 You forgot Tourist Trophy (2006), GT HD (2007) and GTPSP (2009). GT5 Prologue released in December 07 and GT5 released in November '10. With PS4 being easier to develop for and PD already having a bunch of "premium" models for cars, I dont think GT6 will take as long as people expect. Can see GT6 Prologue been announced at TGS for an early 2013 release and GT6 within a Year and half.

I'm confused, are you predicting

a) GT6 will be on the PS3? If so, it just adds to my point that there is no chance of a full GT game at PS4 launch

b) GT6 prologue will be on the PS3, while GT6 will be PS4

c) That the PS4 will launch in early 2013 with GT6 prologue as a launch game, but you still agree that GT6 won't be a launch game.

d) Something else?

GT6 Prologue on PS3, GT6 on PS4 within a Year of launch.

Should say this, I count launch games, as games there within 1 Year.

@ Conegamer

About retail price, i'll take your word for it.

"After the Vita iteration of Uncharted, it's clear it isn't really a system seller."

This sentence seems flawed on so many levels.

1.) Uncharted is a series made for consoles & on big screen. Of course it's going to have a drastically smaller affect when made for portables. This is espescially odd coming from you as you've made it quite clear that you believe games can be blockbusters on consoles, but not necessarily on handhelds.

2.) The Vita iteration of Uncharted wasn't developed by Naughty Dog and subsequently didn't get anywhere near the praise that the Naughty Dog games get. So, it's silly to compare Golden Abyss & Uncharted 4 since they will have drastically different levls of quality, and thus, sales and systems moved.

Even with these two huge disadvantages, it's still likely that Uncharted: Golden Abyss was a large factor in a large percentage of Vita owners.

"And, I doubt they'll be able to turn it around in time, unless they've been working on it before the UC3 release, or even if the console releases in late 2014."

As I just said, Naughty Dog is split into two teams. One for The Last of Us and one for Uncharted. The Uncharted team just released Uncharted 3 in 2011. So, if it takes them 2-3 years to make Uncharted 4, which is the amount of time they need, then they will release it in 2013 / 2014. That means Uncharted 4 will make the launch of the PS4. Of course, this assumes Naughty Dog-Uncharted team began development of Uncharted 4 shortly after Uncharted 3, which is likely

"A GT6 Prologue? Perhaps. But the full version won't be out for years after launch."

You didn't even try to disprove my post this time. So I'll just ignore this one since I don't think GT6 will make launch either.

"Yes, but they don't seem to be continuing this trend with the PSV"

The Vita doesn't even have many, if any, 90+ rated, accessible games for Sony to market. This likely won't be an issue with the Playstation 4 if Sony's plethora of first & second-party developers produce quality games.

" and the initial PS3 ads were pretty poor."

Yes, the initial ones were. Again, like the Vita now, the PS3 didn't have many 90+ rated, acceessible games (or more specifially, exclusives) for Sony to market. As I said about the PS4 earlier, the ps4 likely won't have this issue if Sony's plethora of first & second party developers produce quality games.

Since, you've included the word 'initial', I assume you recognize the progress Sony's marketing has made since the early days If so, I don't understand why you expect Sony to make same mistakes that they've already fixed. Mistakes don't occur in a cyclical manner. When a subject acts to fix a mistake, they usually don't stop those actions so that they make the same mistakes. Mistakes come when the subject either A.) refuses to fix current mistakes and they allow the same mistakes to keep happening, or B.) New mistakes happen. But we're talking about an old mistake. And one that Sony has already fixed.

The chief problem here - besides Sony's marketing always being a bit daft - is the fact that Gran Turismo is the only really system-selling exclusive franchise that Sony has. Uncharted isn't a system seller.

They'd have to come up with a Hell of a new IP.

its imposible to win any gen being the most expensive

It all comes down to games... marketing... and price.

 

Marketing is the most important thing though. If you make the most amazing system with the best games, but nobody knows about it... then nobody will buy it . 

 

Khuutra said: Uncharted isn't a system seller.

What makes you believe this? Uncharted has never had a chance to move any consoles as it didn't get 'big' until Uncharted 2. And even Uncharted 2 didn't sell as fast as Uncharted 3. So, by the time, Uncharted was good enough to be a system seller, it was already 3-4 years into the PS3's life cycle & the userbase was already there.

I'd say any sequel to a game that sells 6m+ will move consoles when released early enough in the console's life cycle.

A lot of people say Metal Gear Solid 4 was a system seller, and Uncharted is bigger than that.

With a bit of optimism, one could say Uncharted 4 could be a 7-8 million seller. Though, to be safe, lets say it sells just over 6m. I don't see how that's not a system seller.

9087 said: It all comes down to games... marketing... and price.   Marketing is the most important thing though. If you make the most amazing system with the best games, but nobody knows about it... then nobody will buy it .

Marketing comes after games & price. Marketing is useless if the product isn't....marketable.

If console A = Great Games + Low Price + Weak Marketing
And console B = Shitty Games + High Price + Great Marketing.

Console A would sell more.