APM, most of your arguments seem to come down to how the Wii, DS and 3DS had "gimmicks" that kept the consumers interested, as so increased sales - but then you go on to say that the WiiU's gimmick isn't as new or innovative as Nintendo's other consoles. However, people heavily criticised Nintendo for the DS's touch screen - and that's mainstream now; the WiiMote was a joke among gamers for a few years, and now motion controls are the new big thing. The point is, we don't know how well the WiiU's controller will be received yet, and there's no real reason to predict with certainty that this set-up won't become the norm for videogames in the future. So really, I'm just asking why you don't think that the WiiU's gimmick will be as successful as previous ones. And for that matter- you repeatedly mention the word "gimmick" as if dismissing the success of the DS and Wii on some consumer brainwashing that didn't add anything to the gameplay or the industry; are you using that word as its actual definition (a selling point that makes a product stand out), or are you using it as a dismissive phrase?

I'm not using it as a dismissive phrase, it's a major selling point. I'm not gonna reply to the rest as I'm tired of writing all these responses, sorry!

haha oh wow you weren't even joking were you? man I like you..you're entertaining.

Um, joking about what? That's a bit arrogant.

Funny how I put something out there, and you just imply that it's wrong with no explanation - Yet you refuse to offer any opinions of your own for me to just reply "Haha, oh wow, what a joke! How entertaining!"

So do you have an argument against what I said or not? It's really coming off like you don't want to be proven wrong. Seems like you don't want to have to think.

1. "It's just common sense"? I would argue that common sense says not to create a new piece of hardware with little to no conceptual changes from the last, when the last was not very profitable - especially after posting huge losses. We don't KNOW that the PS4 or 720 are in development, inevitably these ideas have been considered by Sony and Microsoft, but they may not be the best decisions when it comes down to it. Your idea of "common sense" is to never question the system of "WE ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE 3 CONSOLES AND THEY MUST ALL GET THEIR OWN EXCLUSIVES" even though it's really doing nothing for gaming at this point. It's a good thing your fallacious ideologies don't actually affect the business or gaming worlds in any way.

2. "No one is ignoring Sony's financial troubles." I like how it's ALWAYS YOU that needs to clarify this, lol. But sure, totally, nobody feels the need to defend Sony here! And clearly I'm just a die hard Sony hater for pointing this out! LMFAO

3. It was loosely related, as he was indirectly referring to the integrated OS / Windows for 720 rumor that has been floating around. At this point I'm sorry to say that I don't feel that you have the discretion to decide whether or not something is relevant. Let him talk about what he wants to, he is obviously more informed than you.

It's funny how you go around behaving condescendingly towards people yet you're obviously the least informed person here. When did you start gaming if I may ask, oh "VGKing"? Generation 6 or so?

no i said that I thought you were joking, because none of the things you said in your ramblings make any sense whatsoever. But it's alright. If I start arguing back and forth with you here I know it's not gonna end for a while. Frankly not worth it. 

OT: I think we should wait until we see the applications and games that make use of the pad during E3 first. The original wii, when it came out...what they had going was just really cool and was easily and well marketed. Let's see if they have something similar this time around as well to take the world of casuals by storm.

How did it not make sense? What part of the post did not make sense?

Do you not understand the question?

It really seems like I just struck a nerve at this point because you're just attacking the post as a whole yet not pointing out anything that's supposedly wrong with it after I asked you to do so explicitly, and multiple times.

You just can't handle my opinion that we need to question the system of consoles at this point I guess. I mean that's what I have to assume based off of what you've given me.

Edit: Also I would like to add that just because you can't comprehend something doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense.

I think that the potential applications of the tablet are huge. Being able to switch from TV to Tablet is a huge feature for me personally, and anyone who has to share a bedroom or has kids in the house. The potential for gameplay is also staggering. Imagine setting up a spy camera in an FPS and being able to see the feed on the tablet. Even routine features have the potential to be huge. Personally, I would have enjoyed Skyrim MUCH MUCH more if I had been able to map different spells to touch buttons.

As for the idea of tablet gaming not being brand spanking new, I think that's kind of the point. Nintendo wants the controller to be familiar and non-intimidating to non-gamers. As long as Nintendo uses the tablet in new and innovative ways, they won't have much trouble selling casual gamers on the idea. Of course, it all comes down to the software...

Vita touchscreen is much better then the DS/3DS one. It's just like a tablet.
The DS/3DS touchscreen is very limited in the ways it can be used since its a secondary screen.