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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 09 May 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

I know, but as far as I know they don't change a single point that I have made.

If you share some of them that you think would prove me wrong, I'd gladly admit defeat in the OP.



Well its hard explaining through text, especially since I don't have a phd in philosophy of religion. But a theory of natural evil is if there is a god, an all good and powerful being, then this implies there is an opposite but equal force to balance it out. Another theory of natural evil is that its a product of the world that we live in. God wants us to live in a world that has gravity and weather changes and the only way to create a world such as that then things such as floods and earth quakes will happen.

Interesting.

But if the balancing evil makes God incapable of seeing the future (or even threatens Him the slightest), then that would suggest that He isn't almighty.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 09 May 2012
DélioPT said:
No, our fate is in our hands. What God knows is what we do/did but also what we do/did with His guidance. That is the everything He knows. More, what He knows is what we in fact did, do and will do but our time alpha and omega - is just the reality, the actual expression of what He knows.
God gave us freedom to choose not to for His way on us. That is Justice.

What He also knows is that people would turn thei backs on Him and so He would lose them to hell. But of that suffering no one cares.

 

Thus, He knows which people will "choose" to go to hell before they were even born. Free will won't affect their choices.

Even if God tries to change history by reaching out His hand, He already knows how the person in question will react to that action as well!

 

I stand by my word: Our fate is in God's hands.



Max King of the Wild on 09 May 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
crissindahouse said:

the real question is, why does someone has to go to the psychiatrist if he would spread things like they did in the past which everyone is believeing in? i mean, why do all believe what people in the past who were not the smartest told but if intelligent people from nowadays would tell someone in the bar stories like that they all would be like "uhmm you are mentally ill"


This is a good question. I actually have no idea how people could believe in the stuff mentioned in the Bible in the first place.

Jesus is another story though. There are some theories in which Jesus don't actually die on the cross, but simulates death (using that fluid from the sponge).. Remember how they said something like "What, Jesus is dead already?"

Yeah... People (think they) saw it happen with their own eyes ("death" and resurrection), making it easy to believe. It's just a theory though, but I don't think it sounds too unlikely.



Its pretty widely accepted that jesus did in fact die on the cross and yes his tomb was empty, and that yeah, jesus appeared to people after death. However, atheists will take up the position that the body was moved by joesph before the women found the empty tomb and that jesus did appear to people but they were illusions.



Mr Khan on 09 May 2012

All you've done is prove Calvinism/Presbyterianism, not disprove the Abrahamic God



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DélioPT on 09 May 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
DélioPT said:
No, our fate is in our hands. What God knows is what we do/did but also what we do/did with His guidance. That is the everything He knows. More, what He knows is what we in fact did, do and will do but our time alpha and omega - is just the reality, the actual expression of what He knows.
God gave us freedom to choose not to for His way on us. That is Justice.

What He also knows is that people would turn thei backs on Him and so He would lose them to hell. But of that suffering no one cares.

 

Thus, He knows which people will "choose" to go to hell before they were even born. Free will won't affect their choices.

Even if God tries to change history by reaching out His hand, He already knows how the person in question will react to that action as well!

 

I stand by my word: Our fate is in God's hands.

" Free will won't affect their choices."
Free will is what affects our choices. What God knows makes no difference on what we do. So, our fate is in fact in our hands. That`s ho we are judge for the good or for the bad.
Remember that God knows everything at once.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 09 May 2012
Mr Khan said:
All you've done is prove Calvinism/Presbyterianism, not disprove the Abrahamic God


That was not my point. My point is (yes, I'll say it again) that our fate is in God's hands:

 

Don't be proud when you make good deeds, it was gonna happen thanks to God's directions.

Don't be sorry after commiting a sin, think "It was God's will for me to commit it!".

 

And with that logic; don't expect to go to hell once you die, 'cause if you did then God is responsible.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 09 May 2012
DélioPT said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Thus, He knows which people will "choose" to go to hell before they were even born. Free will won't affect their choices.

Even if God tries to change history by reaching out His hand, He already knows how the person in question will react to that action as well!

 

I stand by my word: Our fate is in God's hands.

" Free will won't affect their choices."
Free will is what affects our choices. What God knows makes no difference on what we do. So, our fate is in fact in our hands. That`s ho we are judge for the good or for the bad.
Remember that God knows everything at once.

If God knows everything at once then he already has a list of every single sin and good deed that you ever will commit. That list is affected by Him and Him only, assuming that he is almighty.



crissindahouse on 09 May 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
crissindahouse said:

the real question is, why does someone has to go to the psychiatrist if he would spread things like they did in the past which everyone is believeing in? i mean, why do all believe what people in the past who were not the smartest told but if intelligent people from nowadays would tell someone in the bar stories like that they all would be like "uhmm you are mentally ill"


This is a good question. I actually have no idea how people could believe in the stuff mentioned in the Bible in the first place.

Jesus is another story though. There are some theories in which Jesus don't actually die on the cross, but simulates death (using that fluid from the sponge).. Remember how they said something like "What, Jesus is dead already?"

Yeah... People (think they) saw it happen with their own eyes ("death" and resurrection), making it easy to believe. It's just a theory though, but I don't think it sounds too unlikely.



Its pretty widely accepted that jesus did in fact die on the cross and yes his tomb was empty, and that yeah, jesus appeared to people after death. However, atheists will take up the position that the body was moved by joesph before the women found the empty tomb and that jesus did appear to people but they were illusions.

sounds for me like people who had a horrible incident in their life and get bad dreams and start to hallucinate after that and have to go to a psychiatrist to get cured of these bad things. it's a common problem with these people. same with soldiers who were in war or so, many need help as well afterwards nowadays. or people who lost their child in an accident, they still see the child sometimes in different situations. in the past they couldn't go to a psychiatrist and they weren't so smart to realize it's not true, in the past they just believed that it has to be true.



NNN2004 on 09 May 2012

IIIIITHE1IIIII i don't know why you hate religions that much ?!
if you don't like religions don't bother with it .. ha simple ?



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 09 May 2012
NNN2004 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII i don't know why you hate religions that much ?!
if you don't like religions don't bother with it .. ha simple ?

If religious people don't like gay marriage, then why do they bother with it?

All I'm doing is put some of my thoughts about why I stopped being religious on the internet (and so far, no one has been able to disprove anything that I've said in this thread). If that bugs you then you may leave, if you want to participate though then that's great. The more opinions being shared, the better.