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zuvuyeay said:
thanks for the lectures but when a crazy person is in your house where your wife and 2 daughters are,i'd like to blow his f*cking head off not have a chat with him about gun laws


like i said, that's where you lack in logic in usa (ok u are from uk lol). your family is only then in danger if you play the cowboy and start to shoot and the gangsters will shoot as well. they don't kill you if you do what they want. i bet in america more people die in robberies than in countries were householders don't have a weapon. you want to blow the gangsters head off and you think he wouldn't try to do something against that or what? if there is more than one in your house and you shoot only one down, then your whole family will die.



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crissindahouse said:

like i said, that's where you lack in logic in usa. your family is only then in danger if you start to shoot and the gangsters will shoot as well. they don't kill you if you do what they want. i bet in america more people die in robberies than in countries were householders don't have a weapon.

This bothers me more than you could ever know. You expect me to lay down and accept whatever a criminal wants to force me to do? What if they take everything and then kill me? You're telling me to put complete faith in the criminals that they won't end my life or harm those I love. Absurd though it may be, I don't trust criminals to act in my best interests, and I don't trust them with my life.

By saying this, you are telling me that the criminals hold power and authority over me, and I should respect that and submit myself to their will. I can't believe that anyone would ever think that's a good idea.



This is why the PS needs another pricecut



crissindahouse said:
superchunk said:
crissindahouse said:
superchunk said:
Agree with others as this has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with parenting.

1) If you are a gun owner, your children must be taught about guns and gun safety.
2) If you are a gun owner, you should NEVER simply lay your gun down on a table where others can grab it.

So sad.. and now this kid will be devastated his whole life.

sure but this would still not happen with a gun law like "you can't have a gun at home", if he wouldn't have one illegally then.

it's like people could drive as fast as they want in a city and if they have an accident "it's not a law issue, the driver should know that he can't drive so fast in a city"

but maybe it was the mother? telling the son "you have to say the police what i say you now" damn no clue but it's hard to belive that a kid like this takes the pistol and kills his father because he didn't get a playstation. I'm pretty sure the kid didn't understand that he won't see his father anymore for the rest of his life but it's crazy that he knew how to use the weapon when angry...

More kids drown each year in their own pools than kids that shoot people. Should we also make it illegal to not have personal pools?

No, we teach kids how to swim.

Every human has the right to protect themselves and their property. That is the purpose of a gun at home. Nations where you can't own a gun do not make the citizens safer. It just makes them more vulnerable to government.

lol but guns have only one reason, they are made to shoot on other people. i love the logic of people from countries were weapons are allowed in every household. i love how americans always talk about their stupid right to protect their house. nobod is taking your house when you get robbed. the only reason people get killed in robberies are when they try to defend themselve. too funny that in other countries people don't have to protect their house with a weapon...and you are totally wrong that people aren't safer in countries without weapons, that's just not true.

"freedom to have the right to have a weapon at home" lacks every logic. we aren't in the wild west where we have to own a gun to protect us. you get robbed? then let them take what they want and you get it back from insurance...

you know what the problem with weapons is? if you have one at home and you have big problems in your life you are more likely to do bad things with it than if you don't have a weapon and you would have to finde someone to sell you a weapon illegally. people lose their job or so and then they see their wepon at home and think "i will rob a bank". if they wouldn't have the weapon most wouldn't go to a weapon dealer to buy one illegaly.

The reason people go on about gun laws isn't because they have the capacity to kill, its because of innocent deaths and accidents. Just like kids drowning in pools.

However, you teach kids to swim, they don't drown. You teach kids about guns and gun safety, they don't die or kill by accident.

The analogy is fine, its the crazy thought that removing the freedom to protect yourself, family, and property with a gun will actually making you safer that is flawed.

People will commit crime regardless if they have a gun or not. In fact most crimes are committed without guns in the US. Just like every nation that makes gun ownership illegal. Difference is, if someone robs my house, I can shoot them. If someone or a group of people barge in to take my child, rape my wife/daughter.. I can shoot them. Granted, even with my gun, those things can still happen. But if someone intent on a crime knows I have a gun, they are less likely to attack me. Just like if they see I have an alarm system on my house or car. Primarily its a deterrent. Insurance doesn't cover everything. I was robbed once on a trip to Disneyland. Guess what, insurance doesn't cover the $500 in clothes and shoes I had re-buy because some piece of shit took my families stuff. Insurance can't replace a child or their mental state after rape. However, owning a gun and letting it be known is a great deterrent to not being a victim.

I've never really looked into it, but I bet the UK has just as much crime as the US when population is equaled. I also bet that any gun-free nation with a significantly lower crime rate, like UAE, has many other factors that reduce that and nothing to do with gun laws.





superchunk said:

Its not a flawed analogy.

The reason people go on about gun laws isn't because they have the capacity to kill, its because of innocent deaths and accidents. Just like kids drowning in pools.

However, you teach kids to swim, they don't drown. You teach kids about guns and gun safety, they don't die or kill by accident.

The analogy is fine, its the crazy thought that removing the freedom to protect yourself, family, and property with a gun will actually making you safer that is flawed.

@bold. We haven't had that much of a problem here in Canada I'll tell you that.

Give people weapons, you'll need weapons to protect your family, guaranteed. So, what's the root cause of needing a gun, hatred, or more guns? I think the answer's pretty clear.



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crissindahouse said:
zuvuyeay said:
thanks for the lectures but when a crazy person is in your house where your wife and 2 daughters are,i'd like to blow his f*cking head off not have a chat with him about gun laws


like i said, that's where you lack in logic in usa (ok u are from uk lol). your family is only then in danger if you play the cowboy and start to shoot and the gangsters will shoot as well. they don't kill you if you do what they want. i bet in america more people die in robberies than in countries were householders don't have a weapon. you want to blow the gangsters head off and you think he wouldn't try to do something against that or what? if there is more than one in your house and you shoot only one down, then your whole family will die.


i just guess we are different,i'd rather be able to defend myself from crazy people when they step on my property and threaten my family,they can have a shotgun to the chest and i'll worry about all the other stuff later

everyone will carry guns sooner rather than later,i can guarantee it unless we suddenly evolve into a different race,which is unlikely



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^Oh, don't worry, some countries have already evolved.



DaHuuuuuudge said:
NintendoPie said:
He was 4 years old and wanted a PlayStation... what is wrong with our world?!?!?! Even the Hardcore Sony Fans started off on Nintendo. Just goes to show that Nintendo is necessary to a persons life.


The major reason why that is so is because the NES was hitting the market when we were "starting off", and it was hard to get much better than the NES at the time.

You killed it.



Apparently nobody has heard the term "Home Invasion"? I live in a very small town and there were multiple home invasions in recent years. Two that come to mind are

1. A guy and his friends invaded a home to beat up his girlfriend because she was pregnant and wouldn't have an abortion.

2. A group of guys (including the son of a former fellow officer--I knew this kid personally!) broke into a house where an old man lived.

Of course, there have been more. My town is relatively safe compared to counties directly to our north, south, east, and west, but these things happen. A few times, they've ended in murder. The shooting in the OP didn't even take place in the United States but I can't condemn the guy for having a gun. I can condemn him for having a gun and being stupid. The world is not a safe place. I hope that you guys that want guns outlawed never have to find out how dangerous it really is.



M.U.G.E.N said:
NintendoPie said:
He was 4 years old and wanted a PlayStation... what is wrong with our world?!?!?! Even the Hardcore Sony Fans started off on Nintendo. Just goes to show that Nintendo is necessary to a persons life.


if the dad brought a wii instead, the whole block would be dead :P

From it's awesomeness? I could see it.