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Mazty on 09 April 2012
Stefl1504 said:
SvennoJ said:
Mazty said:
Stefl1504 said:
Mazty said:


It is though becoming a more and more redundant feature of gaming. The xbox went from 4 wired ports down to 2 and this generation, like the next, will focus on internet gaming. 

Fighting games and platformers are a much smaller market. Plus using current MS technology, they can actually emit two different pictures from one monitor to different viewers e.g. you see a flower, guy next to you sees a skull. 

 

With 4k resolutions on the horizon, it's not unreasonable to expect people to move their heads, or if the next-box has 16 cores, eyetracking  may be feasible. 

@ bolded

AFAIK the technology to display two different images for two different people on one screen is not patented by microsoft... it is patented by... hummm... I don't remember but it is one of the major TV producers...

Amazing the know-it-all attitude you have when you obviously don't know what I'm talking about:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/08/microsoft-research/all/1

Not so sure about this claim
"When the team combined eye-tracking technology with collimated light aimed at each eye, they created “the world’s first steerable autostereoscopic 3-D display,” as Bathiche calls it."

As it's available already
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20079160-1/lg-d2000-glasses-free-3d-monitor-tracks-your-eyes/
and also in Toshiba and Eon reality laptops, they all claim to be the first of course.
It seems the cutting edge research on this front is coming from Korea http://spie.org/x83143.xml

Those only track 1 user so far, but simply disabling the tracking would split the image for 2 users, the same as is done in car navigation systems where the driver sees the sat nav while the passenger can watch tv on the same display.

The wedge display looks promising but still seems to be in the experimental stage.

However back on topic, headtracking would make games a little more immersive and you don't need a new display. It will be a while before glasses free multi user eye tracking autostereoscopic displays become mainstream. Hopefully somebody will think of a good name for them by then :)

I have used something similar as the wedge, it wasn't that effective as the wedge tough, because you could fool the display that a object near the screen  into thinking its not there simply by something being around it, so something like the palm was ignored pretty much every time...

@ mazty:

I find it amazing, this is the first time I feel hurt, wahahaha... anyway, I don't get what point you are trying to make, Light Space seems more like an image manipulation programm then the actual possibility of multi image processing... if you meant something else in this huge article, then please tell me how that can be seen as multi image processing


You were wrong...and your english is incredibly incoherent so I'm not sure what your point is.
My point is that eyetracking technology is possible, as well as displaying two images from one screen to two different users, meaning that the stereoscopic effect is not limited to one viewer.  Why are you going on about multi-image processing? Many screens can display multiple images....I think you need to find a more accurate term for whatever it is you are trying to comment upon. 



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Silver-Tiger on 10 April 2012
Mazty said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Mazty said:
zero129 said:
No not going to happen, as only 1 viewer can see the image. Plus you only see the 3D image when you move.



Local MP gaming no longer really exists so what's the problem if only one player can see the image?


Mario Kart Wii or Smash Bros. Brawl say hi.

No one cares about the Wii because it doesn't make games for gamers. It was a one-trick pony that's ran it's course and has zero sustainability. Modelling future consoles on the Wii would be catastrophic. 

I can't even begin how unbelieavbly wrong you are...



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Mazty on 14 April 2012
Silver-Tiger said:
Mazty said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Mazty said:
zero129 said:
No not going to happen, as only 1 viewer can see the image. Plus you only see the 3D image when you move.



Local MP gaming no longer really exists so what's the problem if only one player can see the image?


Mario Kart Wii or Smash Bros. Brawl say hi.

No one cares about the Wii because it doesn't make games for gamers. It was a one-trick pony that's ran it's course and has zero sustainability. Modelling future consoles on the Wii would be catastrophic. 

I can't even begin how unbelieavbly wrong you are...


Yet Nintedo admitted it:

http://gofanboy.com/forums/52-nintendo-home-consoles/12373-nintendo-admits-they-suck-at-hardcore-games

Amazing how people post without knowing the facts first. 



Mazty on 04 May 2012
zero129 said:
Mazty said:
VGKing said:
Mazty said:
zero129 said:
No not going to happen, as only 1 viewer can see the image. Plus you only see the 3D image when you move.



Local MP gaming no longer really exists so what's the problem if only one player can see the image?


It does exist. I play local MP on COD games all the time. Plus fighting games and platformers are local multiplayer as well....


It is though becoming a more and more redundant feature of gaming. The xbox went from 4 wired ports down to 2 and this generation, like the next, will focus on internet gaming. 

Fighting games and platformers are a much smaller market. Plus using current MS technology, they can actually emit two different pictures from one monitor to different viewers e.g. you see a flower, guy next to you sees a skull. 

 

zero129 said:
Mazty said:
zero129 said:
No not going to happen, as only 1 viewer can see the image. Plus you only see the 3D image when you move.



Local MP gaming no longer really exists so what's the problem if only one player can see the image?

It's not only about 1 person being able to see it. It's that you can't see it unless you move your head, so unless you want to keep moving your head every sec its not going to work.

With 4k resolutions on the horizon, it's not unreasonable to expect people to move their heads, or if the next-box has 16 cores, eyetracking  may be feasible. 

It is not feasible, and the xbox 360 may only allow 2 wired controllers to connect but it still allows up to 4  controllers.

You don't see the effect of the 3D unless you "Move" your head with this, and a 4K display is not going to change that. So like i said unless you want to be moving your head all the time you wont even notice it.


http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/android/GT-I9300MBDBTU#essence

LOOOOOOOOOL

Sure eye tracking isn't feasible? Hopefully you will now pause for thought before talking about a topic you do not understand. 



Conegamer on 04 May 2012

This has already been done for the Wii, with the Sensor Bar following the Wii Remote, and rotating the image accordingly.

I don't think this is new technology, nor will it occur for the PS4. But, stranger things have happened...



 

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Panama on 04 May 2012

I was hoping for its secret weapon to be videogames.



WiiBox3 on 04 May 2012

Doubtful since Sony is also in the business of selling TVs. They want you to buy one of their 3D TVs to go with your Play Station. They don't put 3D into their games to set them apart for 360 games. They put 3D into their games to encourage the adoption of 3D televisions. This is also the reason they made the smaller cheaper PS branded TVs. Just like the reason they stuck a Bluray player in the PS3 was to quickly expand the adoption of Blurays.



SWORDF1SH on 05 May 2012
WiiBox3 said:
Doubtful since Sony is also in the business of selling TVs. They want you to buy one of their 3D TVs to go with your Play Station. They don't put 3D into their games to set them apart for 360 games. They put 3D into their games to encourage the adoption of 3D televisions. This is also the reason they made the smaller cheaper PS branded TVs. Just like the reason they stuck a Bluray player in the PS3 was to quickly expand the adoption of Blurays.

They can still use 3D with this tech. The graphics would have even a greater depth of 3D.



SWORDF1SH on 05 May 2012
Conegamer said:
This has already been done for the Wii, with the Sensor Bar following the Wii Remote, and rotating the image accordingly.

I don't think this is new technology, nor will it occur for the PS4. But, stranger things have happened...


Yes. It's is quite simple tech but powerful. It not new tech but Sony have been openly experimenting with it. It shouldnt take up much of the consoles power to do, so no compromising graphics.



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 05 May 2012
WiiBox3 said:
Doubtful since Sony is also in the business of selling TVs. They want you to buy one of their 3D TVs to go with your Play Station. They don't put 3D into their games to set them apart for 360 games. They put 3D into their games to encourage the adoption of 3D televisions. This is also the reason they made the smaller cheaper PS branded TVs. Just like the reason they stuck a Bluray player in the PS3 was to quickly expand the adoption of Blurays.


And win the HD format wars. 



Yay!!!