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tonymarraffa said:
Yeah when her album was 99 cents on Amazon not to impressive right?


only 440,000 copies were sold on amazon's 99 cent deal.

To date Born this Way has sold more than 8,000,000 copies world wide.

 

... Your argument is invalid



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Green51q said:
tonymarraffa said:
Yeah when her album was 99 cents on Amazon not to impressive right?


only 440,000 copies were sold on amazon's 99 cent deal.

To date Born this Way has sold more than 8,000,000 copies world wide.

 

... Your argument is invalid


It has actually sold under 6 million... 



PlaystaionGamer said:
ps3_jrpg_gamer said:

i believe that MJ is king of pop and that 's for sure
as for queen i see there is a battle mainly between madonna and lady gaga
i believe madonna wins not just for being the best-selling female artist of all-time and having grossed 400mil in a tour but let me ask you something

madonna debuted in 1982 with the song everybody today 30 years later her new album tops billboard charts and she is a living artist
lady gaga debuted in 2008 with the song just dance
the question is will lady gaga be on the top of billboard charts in 2038 ?
you can assume on your own
because what a see in lady gaga is just girl with no actual vocal capabilities she is just trying to provoce with her style but when people start in the near future getting bored when her
strange clothes and dressing seems tottaly normal (after so many strange appeareances) she will fade away because she chose to go the strange way in order to survive in music and you can 't survive a lot of years that way

you see.. your whole post becomes invalid when you prove you have no idea what your talking about. 

Gaga's Vocal abilitys are FAR better then Madonna's has EVER been. 

Gaga's first tour gorssed a MASSIVE

$227,400,000

and thats just her first tour for god sake! aha 

you don 't actually unserstand what i am saying you can 't say someone is queen of pop when 4 years before no-one knew her  ,only time can tell who is the real queen and what i am trying to tell you is that gaga doesn 't have the package to be popular decades later it just another pop snger from the crowd that only her style makes her to be more popular than others , enough said 



man-bear-pig said:
Green51q said:
tonymarraffa said:
Yeah when her album was 99 cents on Amazon not to impressive right?


only 440,000 copies were sold on amazon's 99 cent deal.

To date Born this Way has sold more than 8,000,000 copies world wide.

 

... Your argument is invalid


It has actually sold under 6 million... 

Incorrect. You should do more research.

http://www.billboard.com/news/lady-gaga-named-ap-s-entertainer-of-the-1005702882.story#/news/lady-gaga-named-ap-s-entertainer-of-the-1005702882.story

"Altogether, it outsold the next 42 albums on the Billboard chart combined. As of October, worldwide sales had surpassed 8 million copies."



tonymarraffa said:
Are those sales recent enough for you?


okay? GaGa sold 1.11 million albums last year.... the week hers came out..... MDNA will probably never reach half of what BTW sells.....



 

mM
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Rath said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
SaviorX said:
Rath said:
Lady Gaga is the biggest win of style over substance in a long time. They created such a mass of marketing around her look, her name and her actions that people failed to realise that her songs were just pretty ordinary pop.

At least she's a hell of a lot better than Nikki Minaj though, that chick makes my ears bleed I swear.

Her and ol' Biebermiester are complete creations. Its like the labels came up with a prototypical popstar and out spawned Bieber/Gaga

 

There are literally teams of people out there writing, recording, mastering, mixing every word of every lyrics he's ever said. I'm not hating because hes a young male singer...I'm just embarrassed by the obvious.

while im trying not to feed you..

a bit of searching on Gagas past to when she was around 19 (years before being signed) she was down in Lower east side New york calling herself Lady Gaga performing the same way she does now. So explain how she is created? if she came to the label the same as she is now.. how did they create her?

Its so funny people run around calling Gaga manafactured when she clearly isnt.. thats why she got so famous in the first place because she wasnt a manafactured pop star. Katy Perry, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Justin Bieber are all creations from a record label, there wernt like this before they got famous. Infact the first 3 are proven to be creations by there label because as soo as Lady Gaga got so massive the labels dressed them differently! 


Lady Gaga wasn't Lady Gaga until she was picked up by the record labels. Her look and name were both picked as marketing gimicks. Female pop stars have been dressing strange at least since Gracie Jones and Madonna.

 

Here's a source, it's a tabloid I'm afraid.

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/music/who_that_lady_CBlHI927dRlLmIwjVfGrwK/2

Her look was NOT EVER a marketing gimmick, it is NOW by other labels, but SHE WAS COMPLETELY OUT THERE HERSELF and took a huge risk, and her label followed on that risk, she made it clear she wanted to be the biggest pop star on earth, and made it clear she had what it took to get there.....

DEF JAM DROPPED HER for not being what RIHANNA and all those fake singers were at the time here's a song about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THDZRhw-ANo

she wrote it herself.... lady gaga's story is legendary to ALL of hollywood, people have known about her since years before she was so big, everyone knew who she was in hollywood, everyone respects the shit out of her, everyone LOOKS DOWN on SPEARS/PERRY/RIHANNA/MINAJ and the majority of pop stars today, and in the past because they DID SELL OUT, KATY PERRY was first marketed to be an AVRIL LAVIGNE RIP OFF, but SHE FLOPPED, so they re did her entire career, and she accepted it, SHE'S A FAKE ARTIST, simple as that. GAGA NEVER GAVE UP AND FOUGHT AND BECAME WHAT SHE DID BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO, not because interscope forced her....

hell BOYS BOYS BOYS, STARSTRUCK the most likely NEXT SINGLES from THE FAME could have been two more #1's to tie michael jackson like perry did, and her label told her to release them, and she said NO, MY FANS DESERVE NEW MUSIC, I WROTE AN ALBUMS WORTH OF MUSIC, THAT I FEEL IS CAPABLE OF CHANGING POP MUSIC ONCE AGAIN, AND SHE RELEASED THE FAME MONSTER, WHICH IS THE STAPLE FOR BASICLLY EVERY POP ALBUM SINCE THAT ALBUM CAME OUT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS A CARBON COPY OF THE FAME MONSTER, and you cannot DENY THIS at all...... most of the industry is FOLLOWING that album, and why not? IT'S THE BEST SELLING ALBUM IN A DECADE.



 

mM

You want to know why she's "fading"? Because the ENTIRE MUSIC INDUSTRY WANTS HER TO DIE, they want her OUT OF THE WORLD, THEY DON'T LIKE CHANGE, why change a formula that KEEPS BRINGING MONEY, rihanna is a formula for money, so is perry, if GAGA becomes what she did again, THEY WOULD CHANGE IN AN INSTANT, AND THAT IS COSTLY TO THE INDUSTRY AND IT'S PUPPETS

GAGA CAUSED a HUGE CHANGE within the industry, and that is HORRIBLE for the industry leaders, THE MOMENT THERE FORMULA CHANGED, THEY LOST, and guess what, when she comes out again with something OUT OF THIS WORLD which SHE WILL, they will follow again, she announced BORN THIS WAY, AND SUDDENLY

FIRE WORK - katy perry
WE R WHO WE ARE - kesha
and a lot more other be urself songs released almost immediately after GAGA ANNOUNCED her new song, THEY WERE trying to get a step ahead of her and beat her, and THEY DID, but guess what? I predict this upcoming tour will gross more than any other tour in history



 

mM

I've never seen someone rabidly defend something so mediocre. >_>;;



leo-j said:
Zim said:
leo-j said:
Zim said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
Michael Jackson
Lady Gaga

(madonna may have been around for a long time, but her actual music talent is.. well i don't want to upset anyone)


... Madonna apparently has no actual music talent but LADY GAGA does...... Lady Gaga.... musical talent.... I don't want to live on this planet anymore. 

I'm not even a big fan of Madonna but she at least has always come off as quite geniune. Her debut album featured a number of tracks where she was the sole writer etc. 

Whereas Lady Gaga is the pinnacle of marketing over music. Even the name was created by a marketing company. 

So yea even though I've never been a huge fan of Madonna and even MJ I was a very very casual fan of I think they are both pretty definitively the King and Queen of Pop.

Queen is a bit of a closer call than King however I think Madonna's sales are still so much higher than people like Mariah or Celine and she has stayed more relevant. MJ seems like he will be there for well into the future. Whereas it's possible in the foreseeable future someone could sell more/ be moreinfluential than Madonna. Britney Spears has had a bit of a rough career recently but she is still only 30 and if she manages to have a strong career as she gets older then she could beat Madonna. 

madonna did not WRITE a single track on her debut album, MADONNA was NEVER a song writer when she started off

GAGA has written every single song on every single one of her albums... and CO PRODUCED them, and WROTE the majority of the production for all of her hits, and all of the production for her latest album "BORN THIS WAY".

And guess what you're right she is the pinnacle of markting over the music industry, but that's because what she did caused a HUGE and grand change within the misuc industry, that alone should staple her as an ICON for pop music....

1. IF IT WASN'T FOR LADY GAGA, radio would NEVER TOUCH dance music in the U.S FACT. JUST DANCE was never played on radio, until she HERSELF pushed her label and went to the majority of radio stations in the country to promote that single, they all said that song was too dance for radio, and she said NO it's POP, play it, they did, and it went #1, and to date is one of the biggest selling singles in music history in the U.S selling well over 6 MILLION records.

2. DEF JAM, and most other labels DROPPED her for wearing FREAKISH outfits and being what wasn't IN at the time, DEF JAM TOLD HER IF SHE DIDN'T USE AUTO TUNE OR BECOME A HOE WANNA BE HIP HOP GIRL they'd DROP HER, and she said FUCK YOU, and she was dropped but guess what? She never stopped fighting, and wiht interscope she became a pop legend.

RIHANNA/KATY PERRY/ NICKI MINAJ/ BRITNEY SPEARS/ and the majority of singers on radio today are ALL PURE SELL OUTS, except LADY GAGA who became the leader everyone is now following, 3 YEARS AGO no one wore what she wore, everyone thought it was weird, but she became a huge fashion icon, and changed EVERYTHING and that can NEVER be denied.....

NEVER.

Tracks on Madonna's debut album where she is the sole writer 5/8. Tracks on Lady Gagas debut album where she is the sole writer 0/14. Perhaps you should check facts before discussing them?

Also once again you seriously need to check your facts. Lady Gaga DOES use auto-tune. She just doesn't use it as much as T-pain. She has even admitted in interviews to using it but tried to claim it's because music that hasn't been auto-tuned isn't what people expect to hear on the radio and other such nonsense. 

I mean come on. Let's see Lady gaga was sent to a ridiculously expensive private school, then got into a professional musical theatre school and appeared on a reality show on mtv, dropped out and and played small clubs while her rich father paid her rent for her. Then soon after became friends with a talent scout/producer.

Def jam never dropped her for the way she dressed as back then she just dressed in skimpy outfits. In fact she dressed pretty much exactly how you said she refused to dress. Her name was created in a marketing meeting. A performance artists designed her look for her. Then after a while she got a record contract. Then she had professional stylists etc and only then did she become successful. 

What about her is geniune? Clothes chosen for her by a team, music created by a producer, image created by artists, voice auto-tuned. 

She is the perfect example of a manufactured sell out. She even lies about her past to try and make herself seem cooler. Saying she didn't come from a wealthy background... while living on the upper west side, attending a private school with tution in the tens of thousands. Trying to make out she was an outsider who didn't fit in yet people at school with her say she had lots of friends and was involved in lots of extracurricular activties with them. 

She is one of the least 'genuine' performers around. 


Def jam dropped her for not selling out to what they wanted, and she did dress very differently while she was signed by def jam and before she was signed by def jam, that is in fact true. Her name was created by her message sent to her producer at the time rob, who accidentally received the text gaga, and he said it was perfect, and she agreed to it... therefore she then became lady gaga..

the clothes are chosen by her, and she usually picks and even designs what she wants to wear the majority of the time as well..... especially earlier in her career where she even created some of her own outfits with her team, as she designed most of what she wore in the beginning... She always has said she came from a wealthy background, and even said she went to a school with paris hilton..... and she has said she had friends, but they weren't even her real friends.... and madonna doesn't co produce shit, in fact gaga writes the PRODUCTION for her hits..... PAPARAZZI was her first completely co produced song, one of which she wrote the production for, the majority of TFM was her's, and BTW was all her...... she is one of the MOST genuine performers around, and it's not me saying it, it's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LWPDGTZpoc

 

and here's LA REID basically admitting, that she was lady gaga already, and dropped her for wanting "her freedom"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQMK2njI5w


Lol so him saying that she came to him dressed in gogo dancers boots and he liked her stuff. Then she sent him MUSIC demos (nothing to do with image) and he was having a bad day and didn't like her music so dropped her. You said she was dropped because of her freakish style and they wanted to change her so that's clearly false. In fact there are pictures of her from around the time she was with Def Jam etc i.e. before her look was designed by an artist http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Lady_Gaga_at_Lollapalooza_2007.jpg  You can go on youtube and type in Stefani Germanotta and see how she looked before she had her look designed for her by stylists and artists. Not exactly freak and outlandish is it?

You claimed Gaga wrote more of her own stuff than Madonna. I showed that was clearly false.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_(album)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fame 

You claimed she doesn't use auto-tune. I showed that was false. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/neilmccormick/8217928/Lady_GaGa_and_Akon_the_mysterious_rise_of_autotune/ 

You claimed she chooses her own style. I showed that she didn't dress that way at all until meeting a performance artist who designed her look and now she has an entire team of stylists, so that was false. Her team of stylists is well known about so I don't really see any need to link it. 

You claimed her name was created by a friend. I showed this is false. People who worked with says it came from a marketing meeting. http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/music/who_that_lady_CBlHI927dRlLmIwjVfGrwK/2 I mean the entire fake story of how she claims it was made is comical. Her record producer friend (oh boy she is self made!) compared some of her singing to Freddie Mercury..... thus he started singing Radio Gaga about her.... then he one day texted her radio gaga and somehow the phone turned radio into lady and she decided it was a good name. Despite the fact that on a phone keypad radio and lady are completly different button presses (radio being 72346 and lady being 5239). So you would have to mess up and hit 5 instead of 7 then without paying any attention choose an option when radio wasn't even available..... yea. 

She has claimed not to come from a wealthy background, which was false. 

You haven't managed to give a comeback to a single thing I said. She is the pinnacle of a manufactured star. 



Turkish says and I'm allowed to quote that: Uncharted 3 and God Of War 3 look better than Unreal Engine 4 games will or the tech demo does. Also the Naughty Dog PS3 ENGINE PLAYS better than the UE4 ENGINE.

I think someone is going to be preeeetty embarrassed of himself when he gets older.

(and please, let him be young, or else it's too embarrassing for all of us to imagine someone past 15 writing those things)